2013 Japan Camera sales report from BCN

mikemike · 12-31-2013, 09:10 AM

I added the marketshare for Non-ILC at the bottom line of total marketshare but that was kind of an afterthought.

Kunzite · 12-31-2013, 11:30 AM

Actually, you did it at every step

To get from those 5.2%(Pentax share for DSLRs) 0.83%, you multiplied the 5.2% with 15.9% - DSLRs share in total cameras (compacts included). But the DSLR share in ILCs is 59.9%.
Pentax actually has 3.1% (DSLRs) + 3.9% (MILCs) of the ILCs. As value, it's 3.7% (DSLRs) + 2.9% (MILCs) of the ILCs.

There was nothing wrong with how you did it, of course; I just thought the inclusion of the compacts had to be clarified.
Thank you for taking the time to make this table.

lesmore49 · 12-31-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Really ? You must be the only person on the planet that refuses to take photos with your smartphone. Do you always carry your "real camera" also when you leave your home ?

I don't take photos with my smartphone. I usually have my small Canon G 12 or my small Pentax K-m...with a 40 mm Limited lens attached....with me.

**monochrome** · 12-31-2013, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by lesmore49

I don't take photos with my smartphone. I usually have my small Canon G 12 or my small Pentax K-m...with a 40 mm Limited lens attached....with me.

I'm votin' with you. I have a Q and an XA.

cali92rs · 01-13-2014, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

A thread with positive news about Pentax/Ricoh Imaging is being hijacked towards "smartphone rules"; and I'm not surprised to see who is doing it.

How is this news particularly positive? They show that Pentax still has 5% marketshare, which has hardly changed in the past 5 years, despite having some of the best APS-C DSLRs.
They have ~ 10% of the MILC market, but you are always dismissing that market, so it hardly seems like an accomplishment.

Kunzite · 01-13-2014, 04:05 PM

Because:
+ Pentax is recovering on DSLRs (5.2% is IIRC an improvement over the previous year)
+ Ricoh Imaging is doing pretty well on MILCs (9.8% with Q, K-01 and GXR)

I'm not dismissing the MILC market, but certain claims about it and the impending doom of the DSLRs. The Japanese market is by far the most MILC-friendly, if that has any relevance...

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12-31-2013, 09:10 AM	#31
mikemike Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New Orleans Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,053	I added the marketshare for Non-ILC at the bottom line of total marketshare but that was kind of an afterthought.

12-31-2013, 11:30 AM	#32
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Actually, you did it at every step To get from those 5.2%(Pentax share for DSLRs) 0.83%, you multiplied the 5.2% with 15.9% - DSLRs share in total cameras (compacts included). But the DSLR share in ILCs is 59.9%. Pentax actually has 3.1% (DSLRs) + 3.9% (MILCs) of the ILCs. As value, it's 3.7% (DSLRs) + 2.9% (MILCs) of the ILCs. There was nothing wrong with how you did it, of course; I just thought the inclusion of the compacts had to be clarified. Thank you for taking the time to make this table.

12-31-2013, 01:52 PM	#33
lesmore49 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western Canada Posts: 12,349	Originally posted by jogiba Really ? You must be the only person on the planet that refuses to take photos with your smartphone. Do you always carry your "real camera" also when you leave your home ? I don't take photos with my smartphone. I usually have my small Canon G 12 or my small Pentax K-m...with a 40 mm Limited lens attached....with me.

12-31-2013, 01:55 PM	#34
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by lesmore49 I don't take photos with my smartphone. I usually have my small Canon G 12 or my small Pentax K-m...with a 40 mm Limited lens attached....with me. I'm votin' with you. I have a Q and an XA.

01-13-2014, 03:46 PM	#35
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Kunzite A thread with positive news about Pentax/Ricoh Imaging is being hijacked towards "smartphone rules"; and I'm not surprised to see who is doing it. How is this news particularly positive? They show that Pentax still has 5% marketshare, which has hardly changed in the past 5 years, despite having some of the best APS-C DSLRs. They have ~ 10% of the MILC market, but you are always dismissing that market, so it hardly seems like an accomplishment.

01-13-2014, 04:05 PM	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Because: + Pentax is recovering on DSLRs (5.2% is IIRC an improvement over the previous year) + Ricoh Imaging is doing pretty well on MILCs (9.8% with Q, K-01 and GXR) I'm not dismissing the MILC market, but certain claims about it and the impending doom of the DSLRs. The Japanese market is by far the most MILC-friendly, if that has any relevance...