What will be announced with FF

Poit · 09-19-2014, 01:40 PM

Since the appearance of a Pentax FF might actually become reality in the not-too-distant future (some are suggesting 6-9 months away), I thought it would be interesting to begin a discussion on what else we might expect to see around the same time.

Not a "this is what I want" rant, but a "this is what we'll probably see as well" discussion...

Na Horuk · 09-19-2014, 01:54 PM

I think the full frame is still far away and hopefully the lens roadmap will be updated. I think a lot of us hope for refreshed FA limiteds (coatings, QS, WR, maybe focus motor). I think a bigger priority with FF camera would be a fast 24mm or 28mm prime (or rather, both, one * or limited, the other plastic).

wishful thinking aside, we will probably just get kit zoom lenses.

Ilovemypentax · 09-19-2014, 02:11 PM - **1 Like**

They will announce a Leica FF knockoff and wont need to make lenses. All their time will be in producing enough bodies to fill the demand as they kill off Leica's overpriced camera with 2nd rate sensors.

Bob from Aus · 09-19-2014, 02:22 PM

FF lenses as follows:
300mm 2.8
200mm macro
70mm 1.4
50mm 1.2
35mm 1.8
28mm 2.8
24mm 2.0
24mm 3.5 shift lens
17mm fisheye
24 -100 2.8 zoom

Why not throw this one in
250-600 zoom

rawr · 09-19-2014, 02:22 PM

I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense.
'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement.
As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8.

Poit · 09-19-2014, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Bob from Aus

FF lenses as follows:
300mm 2.8
200mm macro
70mm 1.4
50mm 1.2
35mm 1.8
28mm 2.8
24mm 2.0
24mm 3.5 shift lens
17mm fisheye
24 -100 2.8 zoom

Why not throw this one in
250-600 zoom

Wow! I like your optimism, but do you really think they have the design and/or production capacity to produce all that in time for FF release?

Maybe eventually, but I doubt the initial lineup will be that comprehensive.

I personally think the FA Ltds as well as the existing DA* primes (which are all FF compatible, apparently) will be their initial prime lineup, perhaps with an additional wide (24 mm).

---------- Post added 09-20-14 at 07:44 AM ----------

Originally posted by rawr

I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense.
'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement.
As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8.

Yeah, I think it would be a little silly to release without a standard zoom: ~24-70mm (hopefully f2.8), so I think that's a near cert.

I'm not so sure about them 'tinkering' with the much-loved FA ltds, but time will tell.

I also agree it would be easy enough to resurrect some of the older FA designs and 'red-ring' them, although people question how well they would perform on digital, and as I mention above, I wonder how their production capacity will handle too many new lenses going into production.

rawr · 09-19-2014, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Poit

I wonder how their production capacity will handle too many new lenses going into production.

Designs like the FA Ltd's, and even the FA 50 and FA 35, are still in the catalogue and perhaps all still in slow-rate production. So like the recent experience with the 'red-ringed' DA Ltd's, technically they won't need to produce anything new. Improve the coatings, improve QC, add red ring. Some of those FA primes seem to perform quite OK on digital. I'm happy enough with the FA 50.

It would also probably be prudent to release two budget (~$150) 50mm and 35mm 'plastic fantastic' FF primes, as Nikon and Canon do. (And as Pentax have done with the DA 35 2.4 and DA 50 1.8 - which I think are FF compatible designs anyhow). It would help budget buyers, but it would also give distributors the option to offer some very keenly priced camera/lens kits.

**Miguel** · 09-19-2014, 03:14 PM - **5 Likes**

A senior citizen discount program as most folks here will qualify by the time this model actually is released.

M

amoringello · 09-19-2014, 05:20 PM

They will announce the new FullFrame with no need to produce new lenses, as there are millions of existing lenses that will work just fine.
Most of these can only be obtained form garage sales or off e-bay and include a good dose of scratches and internal mold and dust.
But hey, no need to build any new ones. Beside, the new FF camera will likely have a crop-mode so you can use your current-tech crop body lenses without problem.

normhead · 09-19-2014, 05:27 PM

They just need one to put one the camera, but I already have, the DA 35 2.4, FA 50 1.7, Sigma 70 Macro, Tamron 90 macro, FA 35-80, F 70-210 and A-400. How many lenses could a guy need? If I buy an old FA 20-35 I'll be so laughing.

Not that I'm thinking of buying one... just saying.

**Rondec** · 09-19-2014, 06:18 PM

The things I would expect to see: (1) a kit lens 28-80 f3.5-5.6. (2) normal premium zoom 24-70 f2.8. (3) 80-200 f2.8 (4) FA limiteds re-released with weather sealing and new HD coatings (5) DFA *20mm f2.8 prime at some point (probably not at the time of release of such a camera).

Winder · 09-19-2014, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by rawr

I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense.
'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement.
As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8.

Lenses typically go 10 years or so before being updated. If Ricoh is going to update the FA Limited for the next 10 years, they need to implement better AF drive. Either new DC motors in the lens, or they need to introduce faster quieter screw drive. I don't mind screw drive, but I would like to see the same advances in screw drive as we see in in-lens motors. I would hope Ricoh would add weather sealing at the same time.

rawr · 09-19-2014, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Lenses typically go 10 years or so before being updated.

The FA Ltd's were progressively released over several years (1997, 1999, 2001) according to Boris Dimitrov. So their time is due

DC motors and WR would be nice, but will make them fatter and less elegant designs.

**jpzk** · 09-19-2014, 06:51 PM

Anther FF thread ?

... and I got sucked in too !

Winder · 09-19-2014, 06:52 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rawr

The FA Ltd's were progressively released over several years (1997, 1999, 2001) according to Boris Dimitrov. So their time is due

DC motors and WR would be nice, but will make them fatter and less elegant designs.

Which is why I would like to see Ricoh produce a faster, quieter screw drive system. That would allow for smaller lenses that could compete with the competition.

View Poll Results: What will we be announced with the FF body
The ~70-200mm lens at Photokina	56	62.22%
The ~150-400mm lens at Photokina	31	34.44%
~24-70mm premium lens	25	27.78%
~24-70mm kit lens	34	37.78%
Refreshed FA Ltds	40	44.44%
New prime lenses (explain)	7	7.78%
~12-24mm lens	12	13.33%
Nothing (they'll launch with the current lineup)	6	6.67%
Other (explain)	10	11.11%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

09-19-2014, 01:40 PM	#1
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423	What will be announced with FF Since the appearance of a Pentax FF might actually become reality in the not-too-distant future (some are suggesting 6-9 months away), I thought it would be interesting to begin a discussion on what else we might expect to see around the same time. Not a "this is what I want" rant, but a "this is what we'll probably see as well" discussion...

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09-19-2014, 01:54 PM	#2
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	I think the full frame is still far away and hopefully the lens roadmap will be updated. I think a lot of us hope for refreshed FA limiteds (coatings, QS, WR, maybe focus motor). I think a bigger priority with FF camera would be a fast 24mm or 28mm prime (or rather, both, one * or limited, the other plastic). wishful thinking aside, we will probably just get kit zoom lenses.

09-19-2014, 02:11 PM - 1 Like	#3
Ilovemypentax Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 121	They will announce a Leica FF knockoff and wont need to make lenses. All their time will be in producing enough bodies to fill the demand as they kill off Leica's overpriced camera with 2nd rate sensors.

09-19-2014, 02:22 PM	#4
Bob from Aus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,094	FF lenses as follows: 300mm 2.8 200mm macro 70mm 1.4 50mm 1.2 35mm 1.8 28mm 2.8 24mm 2.0 24mm 3.5 shift lens 17mm fisheye 24 -100 2.8 zoom Why not throw this one in 250-600 zoom

09-19-2014, 02:22 PM	#5
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense. 'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement. As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8.

09-19-2014, 02:38 PM	#6
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423 Original Poster	Originally posted by Bob from Aus FF lenses as follows: 300mm 2.8 200mm macro 70mm 1.4 50mm 1.2 35mm 1.8 28mm 2.8 24mm 2.0 24mm 3.5 shift lens 17mm fisheye 24 -100 2.8 zoom Why not throw this one in 250-600 zoom Wow! I like your optimism, but do you really think they have the design and/or production capacity to produce all that in time for FF release? Maybe eventually, but I doubt the initial lineup will be that comprehensive. I personally think the FA Ltds as well as the existing DA* primes (which are all FF compatible, apparently) will be their initial prime lineup, perhaps with an additional wide (24 mm). ---------- Post added 09-20-14 at 07:44 AM ---------- Originally posted by rawr I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense. 'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement. As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8. Yeah, I think it would be a little silly to release without a standard zoom: ~24-70mm (hopefully f2.8), so I think that's a near cert. I'm not so sure about them 'tinkering' with the much-loved FA ltds, but time will tell. I also agree it would be easy enough to resurrect some of the older FA designs and 'red-ring' them, although people question how well they would perform on digital, and as I mention above, I wonder how their production capacity will handle too many new lenses going into production.

09-19-2014, 03:14 PM	#7
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Poit I wonder how their production capacity will handle too many new lenses going into production. Designs like the FA Ltd's, and even the FA 50 and FA 35, are still in the catalogue and perhaps all still in slow-rate production. So like the recent experience with the 'red-ringed' DA Ltd's, technically they won't need to produce anything new. Improve the coatings, improve QC, add red ring. Some of those FA primes seem to perform quite OK on digital. I'm happy enough with the FA 50. It would also probably be prudent to release two budget (~$150) 50mm and 35mm 'plastic fantastic' FF primes, as Nikon and Canon do. (And as Pentax have done with the DA 35 2.4 and DA 50 1.8 - which I think are FF compatible designs anyhow). It would help budget buyers, but it would also give distributors the option to offer some very keenly priced camera/lens kits.

09-19-2014, 05:20 PM	#9
amoringello Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,562	They will announce the new FullFrame with no need to produce new lenses, as there are millions of existing lenses that will work just fine. Most of these can only be obtained form garage sales or off e-bay and include a good dose of scratches and internal mold and dust. But hey, no need to build any new ones. Beside, the new FF camera will likely have a crop-mode so you can use your current-tech crop body lenses without problem.

09-19-2014, 05:27 PM	#10
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	They just need one to put one the camera, but I already have, the DA 35 2.4, FA 50 1.7, Sigma 70 Macro, Tamron 90 macro, FA 35-80, F 70-210 and A-400. How many lenses could a guy need? If I buy an old FA 20-35 I'll be so laughing. Not that I'm thinking of buying one... just saying.

09-19-2014, 06:18 PM	#11
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,663	The things I would expect to see: (1) a kit lens 28-80 f3.5-5.6. (2) normal premium zoom 24-70 f2.8. (3) 80-200 f2.8 (4) FA limiteds re-released with weather sealing and new HD coatings (5) DFA *20mm f2.8 prime at some point (probably not at the time of release of such a camera).

09-19-2014, 06:19 PM	#12
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by rawr I think a new zoom to sit below the 70-200 makes a lot of sense. 'Red ringing' the FA Ltd's is logical and should be easy to implement. As would 'red-ringing' some FA designs: eg the FA 50 1.4, the FA 35 f2, FA 28 2.8 and the FA 20 2.8. Lenses typically go 10 years or so before being updated. If Ricoh is going to update the FA Limited for the next 10 years, they need to implement better AF drive. Either new DC motors in the lens, or they need to introduce faster quieter screw drive. I don't mind screw drive, but I would like to see the same advances in screw drive as we see in in-lens motors. I would hope Ricoh would add weather sealing at the same time.

09-19-2014, 06:31 PM	#13
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Winder Lenses typically go 10 years or so before being updated. The FA Ltd's were progressively released over several years (1997, 1999, 2001) according to Boris Dimitrov. So their time is due DC motors and WR would be nice, but will make them fatter and less elegant designs.

09-19-2014, 06:51 PM	#14
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Anther FF thread ? ... and I got sucked in too !

09-19-2014, 06:52 PM - 1 Like	#15
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by rawr The FA Ltd's were progressively released over several years (1997, 1999, 2001) according to Boris Dimitrov. So their time is due DC motors and WR would be nice, but will make them fatter and less elegant designs. Which is why I would like to see Ricoh produce a faster, quieter screw drive system. That would allow for smaller lenses that could compete with the competition.