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RaduA · 06-28-2008, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by wiyum

You ignore the two biggest (for me at least) things that the Ricoh has going for it, and at least one isn't a niche feature at all... that would be the 24-72 equiv. lens. THAT is the lens (or focal length rather) that I want pon whatever pocket camera I eventually buy. The other, also a must for me, is RAW acquisition.

I don't think they needed a 6mp APS sensor, they just needed a 6mp sensor. I want a small camera, and for that, the compromise I'm willing to make is a tiny sensor. Depth of field be damned. The compromise I'm not willing to make is noise and image quality, and cramming 12MP on such a small sensor asks for exactly that compromise.

I've said for two years now: 6MP is all I need from a compact, because 6MP makes for great 4x6s and that's all I'd want from a compact. So meet that minimum with good image quality, RAW acquisition, and a lens that begins at 24mm and you'll sell me, and I wager many, many more.

-W

PS: My other favorite feature of the GX cams, and this is just a "dumb niche" feature, is that you can disable the zoom and use it as a "variable prime" that stops only at 24, 35, 50, and 72. So close to the classic 24/35/50/85 kit I used to love. Ergonomics like that are a nice touch.

Hi, Wiyum!

Actually 6Mp is overkill for 4 x 6 and 5 x 7 and it borders A4 @300 dpi. For a 5 x 7 @ 300 dpi you will roughly need 3 Mp. Of course the marketing guys will gladly tell you such a camera today will sell in hundreds or thousends max. But I am 110% with you when you say 5-6 Mp could be the magical number for a 1/1.x sensor made with today's technology. Add a very good lens with a modest x zoom and you will get a very decent pocketable camera ... which won't sell at all with the Mp onslought that every mfgr makes and every sales guy tries to cram up your ... let's say neck.

Sigma DP 1 is another sad story of a great idea gone bad by lack of resources (e.g. procesing power) and funding. But with all it's flaws it really makes superb shots and I only hope they will refine the design in time. It also is selling pretty well for Sigma so much so that the rumour has it the lines for DSLR are pretty much switched to DP1.

Radu

06-28-2008, 08:44 AM	#21
RaduA Loyal Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Romania Gallery Photos: 0 Posts: 497	Originally Posted by wiyum You ignore the two biggest (for me at least) things that the Ricoh has going for it, and at least one isn't a niche feature at all... that would be the 24-72 equiv. lens. THAT is the lens (or focal length rather) that I want pon whatever pocket camera I eventually buy. The other, also a must for me, is RAW acquisition. I don't think they needed a 6mp APS sensor, they just needed a 6mp sensor. I want a small camera, and for that, the compromise I'm willing to make is a tiny sensor. Depth of field be damned. The compromise I'm not willing to make is noise and image quality, and cramming 12MP on such a small sensor asks for exactly that compromise. I've said for two years now: 6MP is all I need from a compact, because 6MP makes for great 4x6s and that's all I'd want from a compact. So meet that minimum with good image quality, RAW acquisition, and a lens that begins at 24mm and you'll sell me, and I wager many, many more. -W PS: My other favorite feature of the GX cams, and this is just a "dumb niche" feature, is that you can disable the zoom and use it as a "variable prime" that stops only at 24, 35, 50, and 72. So close to the classic 24/35/50/85 kit I used to love. Ergonomics like that are a nice touch. Hi, Wiyum! Actually 6Mp is overkill for 4 x 6 and 5 x 7 and it borders A4 @300 dpi. For a 5 x 7 @ 300 dpi you will roughly need 3 Mp. Of course the marketing guys will gladly tell you such a camera today will sell in hundreds or thousends max. But I am 110% with you when you say 5-6 Mp could be the magical number for a 1/1.x sensor made with today's technology. Add a very good lens with a modest x zoom and you will get a very decent pocketable camera ... which won't sell at all with the Mp onslought that every mfgr makes and every sales guy tries to cram up your ... let's say neck. Sigma DP 1 is another sad story of a great idea gone bad by lack of resources (e.g. procesing power) and funding. But with all it's flaws it really makes superb shots and I only hope they will refine the design in time. It also is selling pretty well for Sigma so much so that the rumour has it the lines for DSLR are pretty much switched to DP1. Radu __________________ K20D + D-BG2 grip DA* 16-50 \| DA* 60-250 on preorder DA 21 Limited \| DA 35 Macro Limited FA50 f1.4 \| SMC Takumar 35mm f2 M42 \| SMC Takumar 135mm f3.5 M42.