What would you choose ?

bygp · 11-30-2015, 10:52 AM

I've put an accepted direct offer on a K5-II, boxed, all accessories + SMC Pentax DA 18-55 ED AL WR : 410 euro including shipping, 8600 actuations
I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping
I won another auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories (2 batteries), 7000 actuations : 340 euro inc. shipping

I realy did not thought I would win these auctions considering the very good conditions of the 2 K-5 for the prices but I did and have to alert sellers asap if I can't buy their item...

The K-5 II is currently my prefered choice mainly because of its much better back LCD screen, and by where I live, it's sunny almost 96% days of year, the bundled lens also is quite valuable...

Is there anything where the K-5 II is weak compared to the K-5 ?

Which one would you choose ?

Thanks !

Rimfiredude · 11-30-2015, 10:59 AM

I am told the K5ll is not as sharp as K5 because of anti aliasing feature. That is why Pentax came out with the K5llS. I have a K5 and LOVE IT.

bygp · 11-30-2015, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Rimfiredude

I am told the K5ll is not as sharp as K5 because of anti aliasing feature. That is why Pentax came out with the K5llS. I have a K5 and LOVE IT.

Need more informations but many on this forum told me that the K-5 has the AA filter too. Can someone aknowledge this ?

bertwert · 11-30-2015, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by bygp

I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping

I would choose that one. ^^^

---------- Post added 30-11-15 at 11:04 ----------

Originally posted by bygp

Need more informations but many on this forum told me that the K-5 has the AA filter too. Can someone aknowledge this ?

K-5 - AA filter
K-5ii - AA filter
K-5iis - no AA filter

K-5ii has better AF over K-5 I believe.

**boriscleto** · 11-30-2015, 11:07 AM

K-5 and K-5 II are basically the same camera. The K-5 II had a better LCD and better AF. The K-5 IIs removed the anti-aliasing filter. It gives a sharper image, but moire can be a problem (in the few situations moire would be a problem).

bertwert · 11-30-2015, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

K-5 and K-5 II are basically the same camera. The K-5 II had a better LCD and better AF. The K-5 IIs removed the anti-aliasing filter. It gives a sharper image, but moire can be a problem (in the few situations moire would be a problem).

I believe it is the same LCD, but different glass over it.

bygp · 11-30-2015, 11:17 AM

Upon this comparison Pentax K-5 II vs K-5 - Our Analysis I'll think I'll keep the K-5 II , mainly for the LCD screen, less noise at high iso, longer battery autonomy (30% more) and better ergonomy (more space between viewfinder and LCD, gripping plastic parts seem more "adhesive" to hands... the only cons I see is the shutter lag but I don't shoot that fast anyway, using mainly MF lenses.

---------- Post added 11-30-15 at 11:20 AM ----------

Originally posted by bertwert

I believe it is the same LCD, but different glass over it.

yes but they put a saphir glass (almost impossible to scratch) with no air gap and the saphir is mate, so this LCD is much more readable under daylight. That's probably why the II is a bit heavier, plus possibly heavier battery.

**jatrax** · 11-30-2015, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by bygp

Upon this comparison Pentax K-5 II vs K-5 - Our Analysis I'll think I'll keep the K-5 II , mainly for the LCD screen, less noise at high iso, longer battery autonomy (30% more) and better ergonomy (more space between viewfinder and LCD, gripping plastic parts seem more "adhesive" to hands..

That review is total BS. There are very minor differences between the cameras. The battery, or battery life is NOT one of them, they use the same battery and have identical battery life. The cameras except for the LCD are identical on the outside. "gripping plastic parts are more adhesive" ???? Sorry whoever wrote that never touched either camera, they are identical.

The advantage of the k-5II is the somewhat better AF and the LCD screen. Everything else is the same. The k-5IIs removed the AA filter and is noticeably sharper.

bygp · 11-30-2015, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

That review is total BS. There are very minor differences between the cameras. The battery, or battery life is NOT one of them, they use the same battery and have identical battery life. The cameras except for the LCD are identical on the outside. "gripping plastic parts are more adhesive" ???? Sorry whoever wrote that never touched either camera, they are identical.

The advantage of the k-5II is the somewhat better AF and the LCD screen. Everything else is the same. The k-5IIs removed the AA filter and is noticeably sharper.

TY for these corrections, I know these kind of websites are often not reliable... anyway, the LCD would be the main reason I would take the K-5 II, and the bundled lens that I can sell if I don't like it, so I would get a quite cheap K-5 II (around 350 euro if I can sell this lens 60 euro). On the other hand, the mint condition K-5 seller seems more reliable showing all accessories on his pic. I have a few days to make up my mind

JohnX · 11-30-2015, 12:18 PM - **1 Like**

K5II, as it's (i) an improved version of K5, and (ii) comes with a WR lens.

bygp · 11-30-2015, 12:23 PM

But the 7000 actuation K-5 is the cheapest (340 euro incl. shipping) boxed, all accessories, 2 batteries and it is the only seller accepting item returning, feel a bit more confident with this seller...
Plus he gives detailed things about the camera condition, tiny scratch on the LCD, a few dust particles in the viewdinfer (this is not an issue for me, as I'll replace the focusing screen).
But the K-5 II seller has 100% excellent feedbacks as seller, and yet sold lots of lenses, cameras, etc... lol I'll probably stay on the K-5 II option

**UncleVanya** · 11-30-2015, 12:47 PM - **1 Like**

If these were on ebay you will have a significant issue with some sellers in the future. Never bid on multiple items or put in offers unless you plan to buy then all if you win. That said, I would keep the k5ii for future resale.

**jatrax** · 11-30-2015, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by UncleVanya

If these were on ebay you will have a significant issue with some sellers in the future.

I was going to ask about that as well, OP what auction site are you using? If you did that on ebay you would own all three.

TheOneAndOnlyJH · 11-30-2015, 02:38 PM

On eBay you are making a contract to buy the item when you bid. Under certain circumstances you can retract your bid before the auction ends, but the seller can legally try to hold you to the sale once you win it. Even if they let you out, you are risking negative feedback and hurting your reputation. Becoming a repeat non-paying buyer may get your account closed or frozen.

I usually wait until the last day to place a bid in case a Buy-It-Now item or a better auction comes up. If you put in a bid 6 days early and something better comes along it's already too late. Retracting a bid is meant as a last resort, not routine. eg. if you bid $5025 when you meant to bid $50.25. (Yes, I've done it once or twice when missing a period on my phone, and I'm much more careful now.) If you must retract a bid for some reason, do it before the auction ends so that someone else has a chance to win without causing a hassle for you and the seller

jddwoods · 11-30-2015, 04:25 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by bygp

I've put an accepted direct offer on a K5-II, boxed, all accessories + SMC Pentax DA 18-55 ED AL WR : 410 euro including shipping, 8600 actuations
I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping
I won another auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories (2 batteries), 7000 actuations : 340 euro inc. shipping

I realy did not thought I would win these auctions considering the very good conditions of the 2 K-5 for the prices but I did and have to alert sellers asap if I can't buy their item...

The K-5 II is currently my prefered choice mainly because of its much better back LCD screen, and by where I live, it's sunny almost 96% days of year, the bundled lens also is quite valuable...

Is there anything where the K-5 II is weak compared to the K-5 ?

Which one would you choose ?

Thanks !

I would pick the K-5 II for the better monitor LCD screen alone. I have an original K-5 and its a great camera but its one weakness is the rear monitor screen which is an easily scratched plastic. I presume the K-5 II has the same glass screen as the K-3 which is much more durable and resistant to minor but annoying scratches.

11-30-2015, 10:52 AM	#1
bygp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Toulon, South of France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 357	What would you choose ? I've put an accepted direct offer on a K5-II, boxed, all accessories + SMC Pentax DA 18-55 ED AL WR : 410 euro including shipping, 8600 actuations I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping I won another auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories (2 batteries), 7000 actuations : 340 euro inc. shipping I realy did not thought I would win these auctions considering the very good conditions of the 2 K-5 for the prices but I did and have to alert sellers asap if I can't buy their item... The K-5 II is currently my prefered choice mainly because of its much better back LCD screen, and by where I live, it's sunny almost 96% days of year, the bundled lens also is quite valuable... Is there anything where the K-5 II is weak compared to the K-5 ? Which one would you choose ? Thanks !

11-30-2015, 12:23 PM	#11
bygp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Toulon, South of France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 357 Original Poster	But the 7000 actuation K-5 is the cheapest (340 euro incl. shipping) boxed, all accessories, 2 batteries and it is the only seller accepting item returning, feel a bit more confident with this seller... Plus he gives detailed things about the camera condition, tiny scratch on the LCD, a few dust particles in the viewdinfer (this is not an issue for me, as I'll replace the focusing screen). But the K-5 II seller has 100% excellent feedbacks as seller, and yet sold lots of lenses, cameras, etc... lol I'll probably stay on the K-5 II option Last edited by bygp; 11-30-2015 at 12:31 PM.

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11-30-2015, 10:59 AM	#2
Rimfiredude Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Washington Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,176	I am told the K5ll is not as sharp as K5 because of anti aliasing feature. That is why Pentax came out with the K5llS. I have a K5 and LOVE IT.

11-30-2015, 11:02 AM	#3
bygp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Toulon, South of France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 357 Original Poster	Originally posted by Rimfiredude I am told the K5ll is not as sharp as K5 because of anti aliasing feature. That is why Pentax came out with the K5llS. I have a K5 and LOVE IT. Need more informations but many on this forum told me that the K-5 has the AA filter too. Can someone aknowledge this ?

11-30-2015, 11:03 AM	#4
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by bygp I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping I would choose that one. ^^^ ---------- Post added 30-11-15 at 11:04 ---------- Originally posted by bygp Need more informations but many on this forum told me that the K-5 has the AA filter too. Can someone aknowledge this ? K-5 - AA filter K-5ii - AA filter K-5iis - no AA filter K-5ii has better AF over K-5 I believe.

11-30-2015, 11:07 AM	#5
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	K-5 and K-5 II are basically the same camera. The K-5 II had a better LCD and better AF. The K-5 IIs removed the anti-aliasing filter. It gives a sharper image, but moire can be a problem (in the few situations moire would be a problem).

11-30-2015, 11:08 AM	#6
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,173	Originally posted by boriscleto K-5 and K-5 II are basically the same camera. The K-5 II had a better LCD and better AF. The K-5 IIs removed the anti-aliasing filter. It gives a sharper image, but moire can be a problem (in the few situations moire would be a problem). I believe it is the same LCD, but different glass over it.

11-30-2015, 11:17 AM	#7
bygp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Toulon, South of France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 357 Original Poster	Upon this comparison Pentax K-5 II vs K-5 - Our Analysis I'll think I'll keep the K-5 II , mainly for the LCD screen, less noise at high iso, longer battery autonomy (30% more) and better ergonomy (more space between viewfinder and LCD, gripping plastic parts seem more "adhesive" to hands... the only cons I see is the shutter lag but I don't shoot that fast anyway, using mainly MF lenses. ---------- Post added 11-30-15 at 11:20 AM ---------- Originally posted by bertwert I believe it is the same LCD, but different glass over it. yes but they put a saphir glass (almost impossible to scratch) with no air gap and the saphir is mate, so this LCD is much more readable under daylight. That's probably why the II is a bit heavier, plus possibly heavier battery.

11-30-2015, 11:56 AM	#8
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by bygp Upon this comparison Pentax K-5 II vs K-5 - Our Analysis I'll think I'll keep the K-5 II , mainly for the LCD screen, less noise at high iso, longer battery autonomy (30% more) and better ergonomy (more space between viewfinder and LCD, gripping plastic parts seem more "adhesive" to hands.. That review is total BS. There are very minor differences between the cameras. The battery, or battery life is NOT one of them, they use the same battery and have identical battery life. The cameras except for the LCD are identical on the outside. "gripping plastic parts are more adhesive" ???? Sorry whoever wrote that never touched either camera, they are identical. The advantage of the k-5II is the somewhat better AF and the LCD screen. Everything else is the same. The k-5IIs removed the AA filter and is noticeably sharper.

11-30-2015, 12:16 PM	#9
bygp Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Toulon, South of France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 357 Original Poster	Originally posted by jatrax That review is total BS. There are very minor differences between the cameras. The battery, or battery life is NOT one of them, they use the same battery and have identical battery life. The cameras except for the LCD are identical on the outside. "gripping plastic parts are more adhesive" ???? Sorry whoever wrote that never touched either camera, they are identical. The advantage of the k-5II is the somewhat better AF and the LCD screen. Everything else is the same. The k-5IIs removed the AA filter and is noticeably sharper. TY for these corrections, I know these kind of websites are often not reliable... anyway, the LCD would be the main reason I would take the K-5 II, and the bundled lens that I can sell if I don't like it, so I would get a quite cheap K-5 II (around 350 euro if I can sell this lens 60 euro). On the other hand, the mint condition K-5 seller seems more reliable showing all accessories on his pic. I have a few days to make up my mind

11-30-2015, 12:18 PM - 1 Like	#10
JohnX Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: London Posts: 1,116	K5II, as it's (i) an improved version of K5, and (ii) comes with a WR lens.

11-30-2015, 12:47 PM - 1 Like	#12
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,400	If these were on ebay you will have a significant issue with some sellers in the future. Never bid on multiple items or put in offers unless you plan to buy then all if you win. That said, I would keep the k5ii for future resale.

11-30-2015, 12:51 PM	#13
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by UncleVanya If these were on ebay you will have a significant issue with some sellers in the future. I was going to ask about that as well, OP what auction site are you using? If you did that on ebay you would own all three.

11-30-2015, 02:38 PM	#14
TheOneAndOnlyJH Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 351	On eBay you are making a contract to buy the item when you bid. Under certain circumstances you can retract your bid before the auction ends, but the seller can legally try to hold you to the sale once you win it. Even if they let you out, you are risking negative feedback and hurting your reputation. Becoming a repeat non-paying buyer may get your account closed or frozen. I usually wait until the last day to place a bid in case a Buy-It-Now item or a better auction comes up. If you put in a bid 6 days early and something better comes along it's already too late. Retracting a bid is meant as a last resort, not routine. eg. if you bid $5025 when you meant to bid $50.25. (Yes, I've done it once or twice when missing a period on my phone, and I'm much more careful now.) If you must retract a bid for some reason, do it before the auction ends so that someone else has a chance to win without causing a hassle for you and the seller

11-30-2015, 04:25 PM - 1 Like	#15
jddwoods Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,035	Originally posted by bygp I've put an accepted direct offer on a K5-II, boxed, all accessories + SMC Pentax DA 18-55 ED AL WR : 410 euro including shipping, 8600 actuations I won an auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories mint, 1600 actuations : 370 euro inc. shipping I won another auction on a K-5 boxed with all accessories (2 batteries), 7000 actuations : 340 euro inc. shipping I realy did not thought I would win these auctions considering the very good conditions of the 2 K-5 for the prices but I did and have to alert sellers asap if I can't buy their item... The K-5 II is currently my prefered choice mainly because of its much better back LCD screen, and by where I live, it's sunny almost 96% days of year, the bundled lens also is quite valuable... Is there anything where the K-5 II is weak compared to the K-5 ? Which one would you choose ? Thanks ! I would pick the K-5 II for the better monitor LCD screen alone. I have an original K-5 and its a great camera but its one weakness is the rear monitor screen which is an easily scratched plastic. I presume the K-5 II has the same glass screen as the K-3 which is much more durable and resistant to minor but annoying scratches.