Mirror-less cameras hanging on to their sales better than DSLRs per CIPA

Clicker · 06-01-2014, 08:39 PM

what about ipads? *lol*

Christine Tham · 06-01-2014, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by Clicker

what about ipads? *lol*

LOVE THEM!

Photo of a friend of mine at a photowalk (not taken by me) - his wife is the photographer, I think he took his iPad just to annoy everyone else :-)

aurele · 06-02-2014, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by philbaum

I keep seeing related information - kinda like more canaries that are keeling over in mindshafts. All 3 canaries are Nikon related, unfortunately, but i've also seen some comments about Canon difficulties. Its just that 75% of Nikon income comes from cameras, reportedly, so any downturn affects them more.

A. Thom Hogan: Whither Nikon? | byThom | Thom Hogan
This article was written in September 2013 and seems very prescient. The recent drop in DSLR shipments validates Hogan's comments, IMO.

B. Nikon stock hits 3 year low: Nikon Stock Hits Three Year Low, Prompts Company to Restructure

C. A post on dpreview: Nikon is going belly up first.: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

very interesting.

We will see if the decline of the big two will allow a third one to expand, but i don't even think so.

Originally posted by Christine Tham

Casual photographers used to whip out the camera on special occasions, like birthdays and events. Now many people tell me they can't remember when they last used their DSLR, some can't even remember where they stored it (well away from sight).

probably because many people did buy DSLR without being the kind of user that will use it. I mean, at the SLR time, many people didn't buy SLR. Many people used to have a compact camera (that where of very good quality BTW). And even those who had SLR, most of them only had a zoom or a 28mm and a 50mm.

Canon and Nikon sold a huge bunch of DSLR to people who wouldn't be long term user. They knew that. And now, everybody seems to discover it. ah ah !

philbaum · 06-02-2014, 07:58 AM

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Originally posted by Christine Tham

Not really, except perhaps in Asia.

Smartphone is the new camera, period.

I have been attending Vivid every year since inception. In the first year, I would say almost half the people I meet will be carrying a DSLR (not surprising, P&S simply weren't good enough for low light photography).

This year, almost everyone is using a smartphone. DSLRs are a very small minority.

Even at Canon HQ, where I expected to find lots of DSLR users, I could have easily counted all the DSLR users in the room in one breath. The Canon girl even asked me whether I was interested in taking a selfie on my iPhone and get it printed on the spot.

Casual photographers used to whip out the camera on special occasions, like birthdays and events. Now many people tell me they can't remember when they last used their DSLR, some can't even remember where they stored it (well away from sight).

DSLRs will no longer be commodity items. There will still be a core set of DSLR users (mainly the enthusiasts) but soon they will be as rare as film photographers. Bad news for people like us is that prices will probably go up. So now is the time to buy stuff.

Seems we have lived through a "golden" period of camera development. And there seems to be a last burst of development as mfr try to maintain sales. But you're probably right although i think the core set of dslr users will be larger than in the past. What's different is that social media and photo hosting services will probably serve to keep photo interest alive. But overall i feel a bit sad over this state of affairs.

Originally posted by aurele

very interesting.

We will see if the decline of the big two will allow a third one to expand, but i don't even think so.

probably because many people did buy DSLR without being the kind of user that will use it. I mean, at the SLR time, many people didn't buy SLR. Many people used to have a compact camera (that where of very good quality BTW). And even those who had SLR, most of them only had a zoom or a 28mm and a 50mm.

Canon and Nikon sold a huge bunch of DSLR to people who wouldn't be long term user. They knew that. And now, everybody seems to discover it. ah ah !

I was one of those SLR buyers in my 20's, but it never took. I think social media like meetup.com is helping photo clubs recruit new users. Also online forums like PF and dpreview. In film days, you were much more on your own perhaps.

**monochrome** · 06-02-2014, 08:05 AM

I predict the demise of the consumer-grade kit lens. Enthusiasts buy lenses. Camera bodies are disposable afterthoughts.

jogiba · 06-02-2014, 09:13 AM

All of the one billion smartphones sold in the last year had mirrorless cameras built-in.

Kayaker-J · 06-02-2014, 09:22 AM

For anyone who would be more interested in some restrained evaluation of the present Father's Day/Graduation/pre-Vacation peak camera buying season by a camera industry expert (and knowledgeable enthusiast), Thom Hogan's June 1 installment at his sansmirror.com website may be of some interest: 'Deals Are Ramping Back Up'. Don't expect speculative bombshells.

Last edited by Kayaker-J; 06-02-2014 at 09:34 AM.

**monochrome** · 06-02-2014, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by Kayaker-J

For anyone who would be more interested in some restrained evaluation of the present Father's Day/Graduation/pre-Vacation peak camera buying season by a ~~camera industry expert (and knowledgeable enthusiast)~~, Thom Hogan's June 1 installment at his sansmirror.com website may be of some interest: 'Deals Are Ramping Back Up'. Don't expect speculative bombshells.

Ahem. Where's Pentax?

06-02-2014, 07:58 AM	#19
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659 Original Poster	[IMG][/IMG] Originally posted by Christine Tham Not really, except perhaps in Asia. Smartphone is the new camera, period. I have been attending Vivid every year since inception. In the first year, I would say almost half the people I meet will be carrying a DSLR (not surprising, P&S simply weren't good enough for low light photography). This year, almost everyone is using a smartphone. DSLRs are a very small minority. Even at Canon HQ, where I expected to find lots of DSLR users, I could have easily counted all the DSLR users in the room in one breath. The Canon girl even asked me whether I was interested in taking a selfie on my iPhone and get it printed on the spot. Casual photographers used to whip out the camera on special occasions, like birthdays and events. Now many people tell me they can't remember when they last used their DSLR, some can't even remember where they stored it (well away from sight). DSLRs will no longer be commodity items. There will still be a core set of DSLR users (mainly the enthusiasts) but soon they will be as rare as film photographers. Bad news for people like us is that prices will probably go up. So now is the time to buy stuff. Seems we have lived through a "golden" period of camera development. And there seems to be a last burst of development as mfr try to maintain sales. But you're probably right although i think the core set of dslr users will be larger than in the past. What's different is that social media and photo hosting services will probably serve to keep photo interest alive. But overall i feel a bit sad over this state of affairs. Originally posted by aurele very interesting. We will see if the decline of the big two will allow a third one to expand, but i don't even think so. probably because many people did buy DSLR without being the kind of user that will use it. I mean, at the SLR time, many people didn't buy SLR. Many people used to have a compact camera (that where of very good quality BTW). And even those who had SLR, most of them only had a zoom or a 28mm and a 50mm. Canon and Nikon sold a huge bunch of DSLR to people who wouldn't be long term user. They knew that. And now, everybody seems to discover it. ah ah ! I was one of those SLR buyers in my 20's, but it never took. I think social media like meetup.com is helping photo clubs recruit new users. Also online forums like PF and dpreview. In film days, you were much more on your own perhaps.

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Clicker Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,241	what about ipads? lol

06-01-2014, 08:49 PM	#17
Christine Tham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,269	Originally posted by Clicker what about ipads? lol LOVE THEM! Photo of a friend of mine at a photowalk (not taken by me) - his wife is the photographer, I think he took his iPad just to annoy everyone else :-)

06-02-2014, 05:00 AM	#18
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by philbaum I keep seeing related information - kinda like more canaries that are keeling over in mindshafts. All 3 canaries are Nikon related, unfortunately, but i've also seen some comments about Canon difficulties. Its just that 75% of Nikon income comes from cameras, reportedly, so any downturn affects them more. A. Thom Hogan: Whither Nikon? \| byThom \| Thom Hogan This article was written in September 2013 and seems very prescient. The recent drop in DSLR shipments validates Hogan's comments, IMO. B. Nikon stock hits 3 year low: Nikon Stock Hits Three Year Low, Prompts Company to Restructure C. A post on dpreview: Nikon is going belly up first.: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review very interesting. We will see if the decline of the big two will allow a third one to expand, but i don't even think so. Originally posted by Christine Tham Casual photographers used to whip out the camera on special occasions, like birthdays and events. Now many people tell me they can't remember when they last used their DSLR, some can't even remember where they stored it (well away from sight). probably because many people did buy DSLR without being the kind of user that will use it. I mean, at the SLR time, many people didn't buy SLR. Many people used to have a compact camera (that where of very good quality BTW). And even those who had SLR, most of them only had a zoom or a 28mm and a 50mm. Canon and Nikon sold a huge bunch of DSLR to people who wouldn't be long term user. They knew that. And now, everybody seems to discover it. ah ah !

06-02-2014, 08:05 AM	#20
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I predict the demise of the consumer-grade kit lens. Enthusiasts buy lenses. Camera bodies are disposable afterthoughts.

06-02-2014, 09:13 AM	#21
jogiba Banned Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Millstone,NJ Posts: 6,491	All of the one billion smartphones sold in the last year had mirrorless cameras built-in.

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Kayaker-J Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: N.E. Ohio Posts: 535	For anyone who would be more interested in some restrained evaluation of the present Father's Day/Graduation/pre-Vacation peak camera buying season by a camera industry expert (and knowledgeable enthusiast), Thom Hogan's June 1 installment at his sansmirror.com website may be of some interest: 'Deals Are Ramping Back Up'. Don't expect speculative bombshells. Last edited by Kayaker-J; 06-02-2014 at 09:34 AM.

06-02-2014, 09:57 AM	#23
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Kayaker-J For anyone who would be more interested in some restrained evaluation of the present Father's Day/Graduation/pre-Vacation peak camera buying season by a ~~camera industry expert (and knowledgeable enthusiast)~~, Thom Hogan's June 1 installment at his sansmirror.com website may be of some interest: 'Deals Are Ramping Back Up'. Don't expect speculative bombshells. Ahem. Where's Pentax?