What's the big deal with full frame? - Page 3

Mike Cash · 07-01-2009, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by raymeedc

For me a major consideration would be the ability to use my old Takumar primes at their intended focal lengths. I'm more interested in obtaining the proper wide angle view from my short focal length lenses than I am the reach I would lose with longer lenses at Full Frame. For that extra reach, I could always revert to another body, thereby realizing the benefits of both types.

See photo above for how to use your Takumars as God intended.

Seriously, though, a full frame sensor would only be half the battle. What we really need is a full frame DSLR with a good proper open-aperture metering M42 lens mount.

*raymeedc* · 07-01-2009, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

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Seriously, though, a full frame sensor would only be half the battle. What we really need is a full frame DSLR with a good proper open-aperture metering M42 lens mount.

Amen to that, number one with a bullitt on my photographic wish list!

simico · 07-01-2009, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by attack11

that's the primary reason i'll be upgrading to a k7d. i want that 100% coverage in the vf even if it's still an aps-c sensor.

I hope you don't confuse coverage with vf physical size... otherwise you'll have a bad suprise when you first look at the K7 vf expecting a ff sized vf.

**Damn Brit** · 07-01-2009, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

What we really need is a full frame DSLR with a good proper open-aperture metering M42 lens mount.

I think that's more of a want than a need Mike.

I do see how it could be a need for you though, a bit like an addict needs their next fix.

24X36NOW · 07-01-2009, 07:57 PM

I think what we really need is a FF dSLR with interchangeable lens mounts so that we can take our pick of any lens we want to use, and mix together different mounts in our portfolio of optics without needing a separate camera for each damn mount.

*pingflood* · 07-01-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by 24X36NOW

I think what we really need is a FF dSLR with interchangeable lens mounts so that we can take our pick of any lens we want to use, and mix together different mounts in our portfolio of optics without needing a separate camera for each damn mount.

I can theoretically mount Contarex, Contax, Leica R, Nikon, Olympus OM, M42, Pentax K, Petri, Ricoh, T2, and Yashica FR/FX on mine. And it's FF.

24X36NOW · 07-01-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by pingflood

I can theoretically mount Contarex, Contax, Leica R, Nikon, Olympus OM, M42, Pentax K, Petri, Ricoh, T2, and Yashica FR/FX on mine. And it's FF.

Ah, yes, but not with full functionality of setting apertures on the camera body, open aperture metering, etc. If I didn't have to butcher the lens mounts on my PK lenses (AND deal with clunky handling on every lens), I'd be tempted to buy a Canon FF dSLR since it can mount PK glass with an adapter. A great marketing coup for Nikon or Canon would be to make some of their FF bodies in (a fully functional) PK mount, which would open up new markets for their lower volume FF sensors (i.e., those with PK mount glass looking for a FF platform to use it on). Come to think of it, either could make their bodies in the other's mount to entice additional customers. I'm surprised Sigma hasn't adopted this tactic, since a lot more people would try their Foveon dSLRs if they didn't have to buy all new lenses for it.

stevebrot · 07-02-2009, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

See photo above for how to use your Takumars as God intended.

Seriously, though, a full frame sensor would only be half the battle. What we really need is a full frame DSLR with a good proper open-aperture metering M42 lens mount.

Cosina/Voightlander...Are you listening?

(The could call it the Bessaflex dTM...)

Mike Cash · 07-03-2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by stevebrot

Cosina/Voightlander...Are you listening?

(The could call it the Bessaflex dTM...)

They didn't even bother with an open-aperture metering mount on the TM.

attack11 · 07-03-2009, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by simico

I hope you don't confuse coverage with vf physical size... otherwise you'll have a bad suprise when you first look at the K7 vf expecting a ff sized vf.

??

look at what i wrote.

*séamuis* · 07-03-2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

See photo above for how to use your Takumars as God intended.

Seriously, though, a full frame sensor would only be half the battle. What we really need is a full frame DSLR with a good proper open-aperture metering M42 lens mount.

I would pay for such a camera. FF sensor, 100% VF, last generation M42 mount, maybe no built in flash, using design elements derived from the K-7... man that would be one hell of a camera.

if you think about it, an m42 camera could actually do well for pentax. there are a lot of people even canon and nikon users who would buy such a body for use of m42 lenses alongside their other equipment. sales are sales. they could even do a smaller, very retro styled SLR to try and compete with the upcoming 'new' olympus PEN. or the G1, which we all know, its popularity is due to its ability (with adapters) to mount all sorts of manual lenses.

oh man, what a dream.

Mike Cash · 07-03-2009, 07:49 AM

I could live with it in APS-C if they would just give us the damned mount. It isn't as though they'd have to reinvent it or anything. Just knock the dust off the blueprints.

*séamuis* · 07-03-2009, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Cash

I could live with it in APS-C if they would just give us the damned mount. It isn't as though they'd have to reinvent it or anything. Just knock the dust off the blueprints.

I could too, but man my 18mm fish-eye-takumar or my macro-takumar (preset) would be much more fun to use on a FF digital than an aps-c.

*raymeedc* · 07-03-2009, 01:36 PM

Do you think anyone with any pull at Pentax pays attention to enthusiast sites like ours, particularly threads like this one? If I ran a company & had access to my customer's unfiltered opinions on their products & practices as are available here, I would certainly avail myself of such an opportunity. I wonder if they would consider offering a non-crippled M42 mount or adapter of some sort [along with accurate metering with the old lenses (& we might as well throw in FF while we're dreaming)] if they realized how many of us would jump at such an option. Who do they think buys all those old Takumars on Ebay? Does anybody think it might have any effect on the corporate mindset if we wrote separately and/or as a group (in the form of some type of petition) expressing our needs & wants, or is that just pointless wishful thinking?

Mike Cash · 07-03-2009, 02:28 PM

To borrow from that great shower curtain ring salesman, Del Griffith....we'd have better luck playing Pick-Up-Sticks with our butt cheeks.