EV Comp in Manual Mode - Page 2

*NeverSatisfied* · 01-14-2009, 02:45 PM

My mistake was in not knowing the camera well enough. Your suggestion for some different warnings or indicators is appreciated, but for me personally, it's just part of the learning process. That's part of what interests me in photography as a pursuit, and the capabilities and intricacies of the K20D (as well as the K10D) never cease to amaze me. I have been very happy with these cameras, but I do also appreciate the wisdom and experience of so many who contribute to this forum. Thanks!
Paul

**Marc Sabatella** · 01-14-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Big Dave

This is a great feature. It is needed when shooting with any of the "M" type lenses to compensate for exposure differences with the older manual lenses. It is just another reason for getting a K20D instead of the K10D bargains out there.

Or you could get a K200D, which doesn't have these metering issues with M lenses in the first place :-)

AndrewG NY · 01-14-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by denisv

I think EV compensation in M mode is for controlling flash power...

I suppose anything is possible but I believe flash power is normally controlled via flash comp--dialed in with FN -> 4-way-controller-down -> Rear e-dial (or green button to zero).

trishytee · 01-28-2009, 08:29 AM

Now I find that strange, as on my Istd I cannot use the EV when I am on manual. The ev button which is marked (-/+ av)button becomes the av control? It only reverts to exposure control when I am in automatic. A fact I find annoying as sometimes I want to underexpose when my reading is coming from a brighter source that the one I am shooting and I do find it easier to just dial down.

trishytee · 01-28-2009, 08:41 AM

Repeating myself here; but have just read my 1std manual and it states:Exposure compensation is not available when the exposure mode is set M (manual) or B (bulb) So how is it that people here I saying they have that option on their 1std? Or was there a second model???????

*unkabin* · 01-28-2009, 09:23 AM

I wish I had that this morning, shooting in the snow with a K10D.

Lowell Goudge · 01-28-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by trishytee

Now I find that strange, as on my Istd I cannot use the EV when I am on manual. The ev button which is marked (-/+ av)button becomes the av control? It only reverts to exposure control when I am in automatic. A fact I find annoying as sometimes I want to underexpose when my reading is coming from a brighter source that the one I am shooting and I do find it easier to just dial down.

At this point, I am not too concerned about what the manual says (don't get me wrong, for a lot of things my first response is read the manual, but...)

My *istD very clearly changes the shutter speed as a function of EV compensation setting when I press the green button in M mode.

I guess the camera can't read it's own manual

emalvick · 01-28-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by trishytee

Repeating myself here; but have just read my 1std manual and it states:Exposure compensation is not available when the exposure mode is set M (manual) or B (bulb) So how is it that people here I saying they have that option on their 1std? Or was there a second model???????

Perhaps updated firmware?

wavecurrent · 01-28-2009, 01:33 PM

I'm using the aperture for compensating the exposure with manual lenses, smaller when the image is overexposed and the other way when underexposed. This has worked since the days with the MX and LX, but now days you have the histogram as well for evaluation

*unkabin* · 01-28-2009, 02:31 PM

I always liked that on a film SLR, you could change iso speed to "fool" the camera, or, as with mine, you could adjust exposure compensation in M. It's easy enough of course, per picture, to use shutter speed or aperture to compensate, but as today in the snow, I wanted +2 consistently. Similarly, at the beach, or often under city lights at night, I want a constant benchmark. Then, I can vary with aperture or shutter speed for the odd shot, but I don't have to do so with the majority. I often have a hard time getting my head around things, but I don't think there's a good alternative in M in the K10. I'm glad to hear they've put it on the K20.

SpecialK · 01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Here's what the manual says:
"EV Compensation for M (Hyper-manual) and X (Flash X-sync speed)
For example, if the EV compensation value is set to +1.5 for M and X, an underexposure of 1.5 EV is displayed on the EV bar. if you set the exposure value so that the l is displayed at the center of the EV bar, the image will be captured with the compensated value."

This would fit in to the "Instruction manual typos" from a few months ago. Makes no sense, and explains nothing. I have shot about 3 images on M, so I don't really care about the function...:-) Oh, it also says no EV in Green mode.

I just checked it. Meter something at 0 EV, then dial in your EV compensation (the bar changes). Then adjust S or A settings to bring the bar back to 0 (center). The camera does not change S, A or ISO.

Seems rather pointless to have to use a bar to count f stops.

Should say:
"For example, if the EV compensation value is set to +1.5 for M and X, an >>over<<exposure of 1.5 EV is displayed on the EV bar. If you now >>change A or S or both to set the exposure<<< so that the l is displayed at the center of the EV bar, the image will be captured with the compensated value."

Lowell Goudge · 01-29-2009, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by wavecurrent

I'm using the aperture for compensating the exposure with manual lenses, smaller when the image is overexposed and the other way when underexposed. This has worked since the days with the MX and LX, but now days you have the histogram as well for evaluation

I guess it is really a question of being lazy, and let's be honest, most of us are.

when I shot slides, I always under exposed a little to safegaurd the highlights. I did this by setting the ISO from 64 to 80.

When I bought my PZ-1 it had DX code reader, and exposure compensation, since it was a pain to override the DX system, it was easier to add exposure compensation, which achieved the same thing. exposure compensation was applied to all metering functions because some bright person figured youo always wanted to shoot the same way regardless of metering in autopmatic and manual.

With the *istD, I test each of my lenses and find some give constant over or under exposure, and again I find it useful to be able to set the EV compensation once, for that lens, and then go on and shoot without having to think during each shot, how much compensation I need to add. remember my premise at the onset, we are all lazy.

with the K10D, not having the ability to dial in EV compensation in manual is an issue, because it changes the way the camera works with a lnes combination between any of the program or auto modes and manual. I know some people say manual is manual, BUT on every other camera EV compensation works in Manual, the K10D is an exception. If the K10D metering worked better, in terms of errors with manual apature lenses, correct exposure for tele converters etc, it would not be such a big deal, but the exposure issues in the K10D make this a badly needed function. It's too bad that pentax will not go back and add this to the software.