Voter trust - Page 2

*Blue* · 07-10-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by lithos

All right, just wanna let you know the options you have. I think you'd make a fantastic martyr.

Here lies graphic8s: he'd have died happier if he hadn't paid for the bullet that killed him.

Actually, the FBI/BATF got their asses handed to them in their hats at Ruby Ridge AND in the Court Room. The National Guard in because when the local towns people found out the FBI had trespassed and bush whacked Weaver's boys and killed them and had "spun" the media, they were getting ready to help Weaver out. The FBI backed down at Ruby Ridge because they didn't want to go up against the National Guard.

The surrender was negotiated by a former Green Beret hero Col. Bo Gritz and not the FBI. The FBI had made major lies and spin to the media. He did this while the National Guard extended the perimeter. The National Guard was there because when the local towns people found out the FBI had trespassed and bush whacked Weaver's boys and killed one of them bush whacked his wife, and Randall Weaver in the back and had "spun" the media with lies, they were getting ready to help Weaver out. The FBI backed down at Ruby Ridge because they didn't want to go up against the National Guard.

The FBI and BATF were in the wrong that day in a major way. The participants should be in Leavenworth making small rocks out of big rocks.

*Driver3* · 07-10-2009, 12:26 PM

I was living in Idaho at the time of the Ruby Ridge fiasco.
It ranks right up there with Waco as a huge bs pile.
Randy Weaver had in reality not done a darn thing, it was all trumped up weapons charges foistered on him by a bogus tip from a neighbor he'd had some bad land deali with.
Idaho is the most heavily armed state in the nation, by the way.

*er1kksen* · 07-10-2009, 03:26 PM

GraphicGr8s, how is it going to help you when you manage to replace the puppet in blue undies up on the stage today with another one in red undies who works for the same people? All these bogus environmental taxes being triumphantly enacted for "bettering our planet" are sure going to take a much bigger bite out of your finances than the little increases some have seen under Obama. Perhaps your ire is misdirected?

*graphicgr8s* · 07-13-2009, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by er1kksen

GraphicGr8s, how is it going to help you when you manage to replace the puppet in blue undies up on the stage today with another one in red undies who works for the same people? All these bogus environmental taxes being triumphantly enacted for "bettering our planet" are sure going to take a much bigger bite out of your finances than the little increases some have seen under Obama. Perhaps your ire is misdirected?

It really isn't. You are so right on the environmental crap. All that stuff they want to do will accomplish nothing more than taxing us more and putting us at a greater disadvantage to the chinese. Carbon offsets. What a load of horse manure. Wait. Horse manure does have a benefit. Carbon offsets don't. I guess I shouldn't insult horse manure any longer.

What the Obama is proposing with the environmental crap will do nothing more than make electricity and other things much more expensive and won't really add jobs.

Even McCain was spouting about the "Global Warming" garbage. And that ticked me off about him. But he was still the lesser of 2 evils. We need real conservatives not the RINOs.

**Damn Brit** · 07-13-2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

What the Obama is proposing with the environmental crap will do nothing more than make electricity and other things much more expensive and won't really add jobs.

At least if things cost more, people will use and waste less.

*graphicgr8s* · 07-13-2009, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Damn Brit

At least if things cost more, people will use and waste less.

There comes a point of diminishing return. I use the least amount of fuel possible and it's still expensive. I use the least amount of electricity and it's still over $150/month. Solar wouldn't help since it's too expensive to install. My payback would take to long and I can't afford another bill. Right now I live within my means. I owe no credit cards nor car payments. There has been a change in my life recently but so long as things stay the same or close to it I am ok. I have planned for that. His policies could be the straw however.

*séamuis* · 07-13-2009, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Damn Brit

At least if things cost more, people will use and waste less.

like we did when gasoline was 3/4.00+ a gallon?

*graphicgr8s* · 07-13-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by séamuis

like we did when gasoline was 3/4.00+ a gallon?

Well there is talk of adding enough tax to keep it there. But that's just because they want you to by "green" cars. You know the environmental crap again.

**Damn Brit** · 07-13-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by séamuis

like we did when gasoline was 3/4.00+ a gallon?

Actually, I think it made a lot of people change their habits, I know I did. I'm sure people have fallen off the wagon, short memories and all that, but I haven't.

Gooshin · 07-13-2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

Well there is talk of adding enough tax to keep it there. But that's just because they want you to by "green" cars. You know the environmental crap again.

when i was in paris, i walked into a toyota dealership by accident cuz it was on the main street, and had a bunch of concept cars on display

in the back there was a fancy fully equiped driving simulator, the goal of the simulation was to drive as efficiently as possible. Before i got my chance to give it a go, i witnessed many people gunning on the throttle thinking it was a racing simulator, even when the attendant lady was trying to explain to them the concepts... i want to say it was a language barrier... but once people go the jist of it i saw disappointment fill their face.

you say "green crap", i guess the rest of the world is just clueless.

in london, the tube was littered with such advertisements (ps, what currently mass produced american car comes with a DSG box? what? hmm?)

seriously man, you need to wake up and open your eyes, the world is changing, america is a good place to start fresh, but its not a paradise, it never was, and neither is any other country, dont kid yourself, the grass is not greener.

*séamuis* · 07-13-2009, 01:09 PM

ps, what currently mass produced american car comes with a DSG box? what? hmm?

none I imagine since DSG is a patent of Volkswagen Automobile Company.

VW has always had the greatest advertisements.

*graphicgr8s* · 07-13-2009, 01:19 PM

We could use a manual transmission.
The DCG was actually developed by Borg-Warner though.

Question: Who had the first front wheel drive car?

Gooshin · 07-13-2009, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

We could use a manual transmission.
The DCG was actually developed by Borg-Warner though.

Question: Who had the first front wheel drive car?

according to wikipedia, it was an Austrian

and if it was a US based company that designed this novelty, why did no one bother with it this side of the border?

its an amazing concept, i know the prototypes had longevity problems, but i think they fixed all that now.

7 - flawless shifting gears, thats awesome!

*graphicgr8s* · 07-13-2009, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gooshin

according to wikipedia, it was an Austrian

and if it was a US based company that designed this novelty, why did no one bother with it this side of the border?

its an amazing concept, i know the prototypes had longevity problems, but i think they fixed all that now.

7 - flawless shifting gears, thats awesome!

Never said it was American. I said it was developed by Borg-Warner.

It was licensed to VW. According to Wikipedia

*Ratmagiclady* · 07-13-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

"We" are conservatives fighting for the very life of the United States of America.

When you're not trying to secede?