I think Glenn Beck is in it for the money..

[jsherman999]

Originally Posted by Blue

... As far as Nazi goes, turn about is fair play. There were plenty out there calling Bush a Nazi. In fact, Nancy Pelosi used the word on citizens before Beck did. ....

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Mark your calendar, blue - I'll admit you're right. Many on the left were using 'Nazi' to describe the Bush regime, and it was overboard then also.

I'm not too cranked about it for that reason, and also because it seems to hurt the right wing whenever someone's on camera calling Obama a Nazi - people's BS detectors go off when they hear that, even if they're not really a supporter of the administration.

[deadwolfbones]

Many on the left were calling Bush a Nazi, it's true, but I don't think any public figures in the "liberal" news media went that far.

I can't comment on the Nancy Pelosi case (got some documentation on that one?), but some wingnuts-on-the-street (yes, they do exist on the left as well as the right) are not equivalent to a guy paid by a major news corporation to be a public figure.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by deadwolfbones

Many on the left were calling Bush a Nazi, it's true, but I don't think any public figures in the "liberal" news media went that far.

I can't comment on the Nancy Pelosi case (got some documentation on that one?), but some wingnuts-on-the-street (yes, they do exist on the left as well as the right) are not equivalent to a guy paid by a major news corporation to be a public figure.

One of the 2004 ads by Moveon.org and Nancy Pelosi and supporters.

YouTube - Bush Hitler

2006 CNN's Susan Roesgen going both ways:

YouTube - Susan Roesgen CNN: Bush Hitler OK Obama Hitler NO?!?!

Pelosi teamed up with moveon.org

Gateway Pundit: Stunner... Pelosi's Supporters and Allies Created Bush-Hitler Ads During 2004 Election

[deadwolfbones]

Originally Posted by Blue

One of the 2004 ads by Moveon.org and Nancy Pelosi and supporters.

YouTube - Bush Hitler

From the comments, and backed up by what I've researched (example, among dozens of others):

samfisher874 (3 days ago) +6

This ad was submitted by a user in a contest to MoveOn and was quickly removed by MoveOn. It never aired and was never endorsed by MoveOn.

Bigstubby1 (3 days ago) +6

MediaMatters clarifies that two "Hitler" videos were submitted to a MoveOn(dot)org advertisement contest. MoveOn never endorsed the efforts nor promoted them; the clips simply appeared on MoveOn's crowded contest website. But when news spread about their mere existence, a controversy erupted, and the liberal netroots group quickly pulled the ads, apologized for their inclusion, and denounced the use of Nazi imagery.

2006 CNN's Susan Roesgen going both ways:

YouTube - Susan Roesgen CNN: Bush Hitler OK Obama Hitler NO?!?!

This video is more than a little disingenuous, comparing a 10-second voiceover clip to an on-the-street interview, and a guy in a caricature GWB w/ Hitler 'stache bobblehead to a guy wearing a sandwich board reading "Obama is a fascist Nazi" or whatever similar drivel it was. (Side note: why are leftist protesters almost always so much better at visual arts?) I know, the argument here is that she should condemn Nazi comparisons with equal ferocity each time they're made. The difference in circumstances between the two clips is pretty drastic, though.

Pelosi teamed up with moveon.org

Gateway Pundit: Stunner... Pelosi's Supporters and Allies Created Bush-Hitler Ads During 2004 Election

Nothing new in this one. It links Pelosi to the video linked above, which as stated was not made by moveon.org, or in any way supported by Pelosi herself. It also says that she stated that protesters at town hall meetings and "tea parties" bring Nazi imagery to those gatherings, which is undisputably true. The rest is just the standard far-right distortions and exaggerations regarding her jet and the CIA stuff.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by deadwolfbones

Nothing new in this one. It links Pelosi to the video linked above, which as stated was not made by moveon.org, or in any way supported by Pelosi herself. It also says that she stated that protesters at town hall meetings and "tea parties" bring Nazi imagery to those gatherings, which is undisputably true. The rest is just the standard far-right distortions and exaggerations regarding her jet and the CIA stuff.

This is incorrect. The swastika referred to by Pelosi had a red circle around it and slash through it. Plus, here supporters during the Bush years showed up at meetings with swastikas etc. Like I said, the turn about is making her head explode.

Will Wolf Blitzer and George Soros on CNN do:

YouTube - One of the worlds wealthiest men call bush a Nazi


How about MSNBC and Keith Obbie:

YouTube - keith olbermann VS Bush the Nazi

Quite a few companies in Europe and the U.S. did business with Germany in the 30s including Joe Kennedy.

This Cavuto clip covered it fairly well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxdV0...eature=related

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I think Prescott Bush got away with something because of being a Senator. I am no fan of the Bushes. However, so did Joe Kennedy. However, whether either of them really knew what the 3rd Reich was doing behind the scenes is another story. It is quite possible they were trying to make fast buck or a million and Kennedy did well smuggling hooch.

[graphicgr8s]

Yeah during the Bush term "debate" was good for the country. However during the Obama reign we need to get things moving. Don't need any discussion. It was OK to debate but now if you debate you're unamerican. Great way to talk to your constituents.

When are the voters in Mexifornia, Connecticut and Massachusetts going to smarten up and get rid of these imbeciles?

[deadwolfbones]

Originally Posted by Blue

Will Wolf Blitzer and George Soros on CNN do:

YouTube - One of the worlds wealthiest men call bush a Nazi

Blitzer says, "uh, isn't it a bad idea to compare the Bush government to the Nazis?" Soros says, "Bush is not a Nazi, and this is a democracy, but there are some similarities between the propaganda methods used by the two governments."

This is true, and not in the same ballpark as baldly saying "Obama is a Fascist nazi," a la that Susan Roesgen clip.

How about MSNBC and Keith Obbie:

YouTube - keith olbermann VS Bush the Nazi

Olbermann calls "the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government" an example of "shameless, textbook fascism." He does not call Bush a fascist or a Nazi, or racist or anything else except "dumb." He simply states that this activity, something orchestrated by a large group of people including but not limited to the president. is an example of the sort of thing fascist governments do. Which is correct.

And then of course there's the completely unrelated video about the Bushes' wartime Nazi ties, which has been pasted onto the end of Olbermann's speech out of context.

Quite a few companies in Europe and the U.S. did business with Germany in the 30s including Joe Kennedy.

This Cavuto clip covered it fairly well.

YouTube - Neil Cavuto - Nancy Pelosi Say's We're Un-American - Hillary Says We're American

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I think Prescott Bush got away with something because of being a Senator. I am no fan of the Bushes. However, so did Joe Kennedy. However, whether either of them really knew what the 3rd Reich was doing behind the scenes is another story. It is quite possible they were trying to make fast buck or a million and Kennedy did well smuggling hooch.

To be honest, I'm not really too interested in who had Nazi ties back then, since Obama certainly didn't and he's at the root of this debate. The Bushes may have at some point (as may the Kennedys), but George W. certainly didn't. So it's neither here nor there.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by deadwolfbones

Blitzer says, "uh, isn't it a bad idea to compare the Bush government to the Nazis?" Soros says, "Bush is not a Nazi, and this is a democracy, but there are some similarities between the propaganda methods used by the two governments."

This is true, and not in the same ballpark as baldly saying "Obama is a Fascist nazi," a la that Susan Roesgen clip.




Olbermann calls "the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government" an example of "shameless, textbook fascism." He does not call Bush a fascist or a Nazi, or racist or anything else except "dumb." He simply states that this activity, something orchestrated by a large group of people including but not limited to the president. is an example of the sort of thing fascist governments do. Which is correct.

And then of course there's the completely unrelated video about the Bushes' wartime Nazi ties, which has been pasted onto the end of Olbermann's speech out of context.




To be honest, I'm not really too interested in who had Nazi ties back then, since Obama certainly didn't and he's at the root of this debate. The Bushes may have at some point (as may the Kennedys), but George W. certainly didn't. So it's neither here nor there.

What you are failing to grasp is that these are the same kinds of things and questions that are being posed about BHO. Its the similarities that are being compared. That's the same arguement people used when they were doing the same thing to Bush. No one thinks he is Hitler, they just don't want to end up Statist State.

I didn't ask if you were interested in ties back then. However, every left leaning show including Oprah were pulling Prescott Bush out of their arse. I criticised Bush based on issues and the same thing applies to bho. The "hate" part of it is wrong when applied to either man. However, things can get heated.

Furthermore, its ok for the left to paste crap together like the Beck video in the OP. Any one in the center that disagrees with any bho policy or philosophy is automatically labeled a right wing radical and a racist by the like of the Puffington Compost and others.

When you take a fat lady to the dance, you better dance wither or she is going to squash you. BHO hasn't figured out the band is playing.

[deadwolfbones]

I've never said it's ok for dude-on-the-street wingnuts on either side to do the things they do (like the pasted-together video).

All I'm saying is that a guy in a position of public power (which Glenn Beck is, unfortunately) should not be saying shit like "Obama is a racist" without evidence to back it up.

Centrists who pose thought-out, rational arguments against Obama's policies aren't labeled right wing radicals (generally speaking). It's people who call him a racist, a fascist, a communist, a socialist (hey, Pentax should bring back the *ist line and have BHO as the spokesman!) without any kind of factual backup who get that label.

[Blue]

Originally Posted by deadwolfbones

Centrists who pose thought-out, rational arguments against Obama's policies aren't labeled right wing radicals (generally speaking). It's people who call him a racist, a fascist, a communist, a socialist (hey, Pentax should bring back the *ist line and have BHO as the spokesman!) without any kind of factual backup who get that label.

Tell that to Kenneth Gladney and others who have encountered SIEU etc.


*Unsubscribed from political/religious arguments* Its like wrestling with a pig in shit. You end-up getting dirty and the pig likes it.

[graphicgr8s]

Originally Posted by Blue

Tell that to Kenneth Gladney and others who have encountered SIEU etc.


*Unsubscribed from political/religious arguments* Its like wrestling with a pig in shit. You end-up getting dirty and the pig likes it.

Your really insulting pigs Blue. I think you should apologize.

[khardur]

Originally Posted by ve2vfd

Soon his only sponsors will be Vince from Shamwow and Smiling-Bob from Enzite

Pat

Thanks for that, Pat. *groan* I can hear the whistling now.
- and Vince saying "your gonna love my nuts" for the Slapchop commercial.

LOL.

[deadwolfbones]

Glenn Beck scrawls wild conspiracy theories on a chalk board | Media Matters for America

[jogiba]

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

Yeah during the Bush term "debate" was good for the country. However during the Obama reign we need to get things moving. Don't need any discussion. It was OK to debate but now if you debate you're unamerican. Great way to talk to your constituents.

When are the voters in Mexifornia, Connecticut and Massachusetts going to smarten up and get rid of these imbeciles?

The KKKonservatives need to be put on their own reservation were they are free to get their cookies playing with their guns and being clueless as a dodo bird.

[Driver3]

Faux News Sucks.