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[jct us101]

If someone is walking down the street is skimpy clothes, are they asking to get say raped more than someone who doesn't put themselves in the situation of that? I might be phrasing all of this wrong, but on another forum everyone looks at me like I'm insane because I think that you shouldn't put yourself in the situation.

Am I wrong?

[graphicgr8s]

Originally Posted by jct us101

If someone is walking down the street is skimpy clothes, are they asking to get say raped more than someone who doesn't put themselves in the situation of that? I might be phrasing all of this wrong, but on another forum everyone looks at me like I'm insane because I think that you shouldn't put yourself in the situation.

Am I wrong?

You won't see this but "another useless Cody thread"

That's not why they think you're insane.

[Ratmagiclady]

Well, he's asking us for help answering a stupid question.


Whether or not someone decides someone else is clothed in a 'skimpy' fashion has nothing to do with anyone claiming the right to rape anyone.

When floor length skirts were the norm, showing *ankle* was treated as 'clearly a come-on, she was asking for it.'

These days, people will sometimes show that kind of aggression if you *don't* show enough skin.

No one has the right to rape anyone. Not if they appear skyclad as the day they were born. Period.

People are responsible for their actions. No excuses, like, 'She was asking for it.' Period.

One might well say, "Ok, that's really rude of you to walk around like that."

But that doesn't give anyone the right to violate anyone.

[Gruoso]

Originally Posted by graphicgr8s

You won't see this but "another useless Cody thread"

That's not why they think you're insane.

Not only useless, it is senseless and dangerously stupid. He might be looking for cheap alternatives to true love now that he supposedly sent the money back to Gary.

[jct us101]

Oh no I totally don't get that doesn't give them the right to rape anyone, I'm just saying that they're more likely to get raped if they wear that clothing. I'm more afraid to have my camera stolen when it's with me.

[Ratmagiclady]

Originally Posted by jct us101

Oh no I totally don't get that doesn't give them the right to rape anyone, I'm just saying that they're more likely to get raped if they wear that clothing. I'm more afraid to have my camera stolen when it's with me.

Why is it 'likely?' What does that *mean?*

Maybe that some feel 'entitled to whatever they see?'

And that that's the *problem?*

Frankly, I think most of *my* gear is safer on my person. You wouldn't wanna be the poor sucker who comes after me when I got a brass&glass Canon in my hand.

(You know, I've always had a soft spot for the FTb. I'm pretty sure there's a dude out there who still does, too. )

[jct us101]

A rapist is more likely to go over to them then to someone who isn't skimpily dressed.

[Wheatfield]

Originally Posted by jct us101

If someone is walking down the street is skimpy clothes, are they asking to get say raped more than someone who doesn't put themselves in the situation of that? I might be phrasing all of this wrong, but on another forum everyone looks at me like I'm insane because I think that you shouldn't put yourself in the situation.

Am I wrong?

You are wrong, but at the same time, the person in the skimpy clothes has no right to get offended when she gets stared at either.

[Ratmagiclady]

Originally Posted by jct us101

A rapist is more likely to go over to them then to someone who isn't skimpily dressed.

Unless the rapist decides you must be a dy** for not baring your navel to him, of course.

There's no accounting for that. No excusing it. Boys who are taught that someone else is responsible for whether or not they are aggressive at someone or 'turned on' at people as objects are not the ones people ought to be living their lives by.

Do you know that in ancient Irish history, it was claimed as a sign of true justice and civilization to say that a woman could walk the length of the country clad only in jewels unmolested? Grandiose claim, of course, but that's a civilized ideal. Not this nonsense.

[Nowhere Matt]

I have often thought that it must be very, very difficult for some women who rather like the attention and confidence they receive when dressed a certain way as long as it is the right sort of attention.
It is probably easy for a male to think, "If I dressed well and was rewarded with attention from a few lovely ladies, I would not mind." But if it were the wrong sort of attention and suddenly became criminally abusive... Probably a different story then.
It may be a bit extreme or at least questionable but there are times when I see how a woman is dressed and think to myself, "Now why on earth would you dress like that unless you wanted to be the desire of many men." Granted that just because you have baked a pie and placed it on the window sill does not mean that any thief can forceably take the dessert without permission.

[little laker]

Really, what is skimpily dressed?
In the 1800's if they saw what any one of us wears on the average day today they'd have called us Naked, or worst.

Here in North America Topless Women are in the same bracket these days, however in some European countries it's perfectly acceptable.

In Africa some of the tribes still wear nothing but Loin Cloths, or less.

However I really don't think that anyone dressing in such a manner is asking to get raped. They're just dressing the way they want to, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

However I do see something wrong with the person pursuing others.
After all we all have access to the internet, books, magazines, or if you have more $ you can just just hire someone.

[deadwolfbones]

Really idiotic thread.

Should we stay inside because we might get struck by lightning?

Italy finally flips on 'tight jeans' rape ruling | News.com.au Top stories | News.com.au

[Ratmagiclady]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Matt

I have often thought that it must be very, very difficult for some women who rather like the attention and confidence they receive when dressed a certain way as long as it is the right sort of attention.
It is probably easy for a male to think, "If I dressed well and was rewarded with attention from a few lovely ladies, I would not mind." But if it were the wrong sort of attention and suddenly became criminally abusive... Probably a different story then.

Well, men treated each other pretty badly when some clued into the fact that good grooming and actually looking and presenting nicely does in fact attract women, they called those men 'metrosexuals' like they were almost gay and pretty much squelched it as vapid. Back to t-shirts and crotch-scratching.

Males these days confuse their culture of 'who's alpha enough to be allowed access to mates by other males' with 'actually attractive to women.' Result? Blech.

But, yeah. Not the same for women. One's expected to show flesh or be 'unfeminine,' but at the same time.... 'too much' by anyone's standards, and suddenly you're meat.

Never mind there's always someone who'll find an excuse whatever you do, cause thinking that way seems to be filling the space between a lot of people and where reality is.

It's a messed-up culture, where sexuality and human bodies are both 'alluringly tempting,' 'modern,' and ...'bad.' Guess who gets to deal with the fallout. Women.

It may be a bit extreme or at least questionable but there are times when I see how a woman is dressed and think to myself, "Now why on earth would you dress like that unless you wanted to be the desire of many men."

Believe it or not, if you beat the idea that that's the only purpose to a woman's life into enough people's heads, some will believe it.

Then, of course, there's sometimes an element of not getting it.

"Why are you wearing all that leather and spikes if you aren't looking to get kinky with random drooling slobs like me, Ms. Punk?"

"Armor."

Sometimes it's to show you're *not* afraid. Also cause a little friendly-plastic covering your kidneys never hurt, in case some Nazi skin ever stops picking his nose. But, that's a different generation.

There really is, though, something about not acting as though showing, or failing to show enough body-shame is somehow going to protect you.

Cause it doesn't.

At the same time, just showing skin doesn't do it either. All that means is guys will say you're a 'f'n tease,' and a 'beech' for *not* giving them their rightful display.

It's not the clothes.

It's the lack of human respect, cloaked in whatever combination of piety and trendiness.

Granted that just because you have baked a pie and placed it on the window sill does not mean that any thief can forceably take the dessert without permission.

Shouldn't be acting as though that's what baking pie is all about in the first place, either.

[Ratmagiclady]

Originally Posted by deadwolfbones

Really idiotic thread.

Should we stay inside because we might get struck by lightning?

Italy finally flips on 'tight jeans' rape ruling | News.com.au Top stories | News.com.au

Italy's messed up. They keep complaining about Christians in India not getting a good reception for missionary efforts (though still enjoying civil rights) then two years running, keep revoking Hindu celebrations' permits at the last minute when all the preparations are made. Not to mention not letting them have real temples.


Personally, I think this whole thing may be idiotic, but I class it under 'Idiotic but real.' People have to deal with it.

[dylansalt]

In SA a woman is raped every 7 seconds - whether she is scantily dressed or not

Dyl