Proof for an Intelligent Creator and His purpose

[Blue]

Originally Posted by lithos

He could try the Sodom cameras as well, although I hear their mount wears out your flange.

Do you measure stone tablets in mega-pixels and chisels in focal length?

[Peter Zack]

Well, I've cracked a beer and got a big bowl of popcorn. This should be funny.

To the OP: We've decided this is really spam to drive traffic to your blog which is against forum rules so the redirect links have been removed.

Heckle on my friends!!

[Ratmagiclady]

I did notice the new account when I first went on here. (didn't see the links, they must have already been gone.) Figured it might be someone having login problems during the server transition.



Anyway, it's really just an assumption dressed up in a logic costume. not much to talk about.

(Hrm, this IP thing is turning out to be a pain. May just wait for them to update my ISP, anyway. )

[Rupert]

As a believer, I hate to see this type of argumentative post. It serves no purpose other than to incite religious intolerance, which is non productive in your cause.
There is no lack of literature, including an abundance of Bibles, where one can make their own decisions....exactly as God intended and planned. Those seeking can find without your help...or mine.
You might do some New Testament reading, assuming you are a believer in the New Testament, and find where Jesus ever brow beat or battered non believers into following? Didn't happen. He presented His message and it was accepted or rejected, just like it is today. No need to argue over it. "Many are called, few are chosen" .....let it go!
Regards!

[borno]

Originally Posted by Rupert

As a believer, I hate to see this type of argumentative post. It serves no purpose other than to incite religious intolerance, which is non productive in your cause.
There is no lack of literature, including an abundance of Bibles, where one can make their own decisions....exactly as God intended and planned. Those seeking can find without your help...or mine.
You might do some New Testament reading, assuming you are a believer in the New Testament, and find where Jesus ever brow beat or battered non believers into following? Didn't happen. He presented His message and it was accepted or rejected, just like it is today. No need to argue over it. "Many are called, few are chosen" .....let it go!
Regards!

What kind of post is this Rupert? It makes too much sense.

[causey]

"No thing nor event in the known universe or laws of physics lacks a cause."

The world as such is neither a thing nor an event. There are things in the world, and events happen in the world. One doesn't come to know the world as an empirical object. (Actually, in most everyday contexts it wouldn't even make sense to talk of knowledge of the world as a whole.) And in saying that there are things in the world, I'm not imagining the world as a sort of spatio-temporal bucket. There are various meanings of 'in'...

Talk of 'everything must have a cause' has roots in ancient Greek thinking (that we've inherited via the Christian tradition).

Quite conversely, the Pentax world has roots in talk of Pentax items.

[yeatzee]

Welcome to the forum

[Gruoso]

Originally Posted by Damn Brit

When my friends dog, Zeus, runs away, he shouts "Hey Zeus, come back".

I dont want to be close when that dog starts farting

[Ratmagiclady]

Originally Posted by Rupert

As a believer, I hate to see this type of argumentative post. It serves no purpose other than to incite religious intolerance, which is non productive in your cause.
There is no lack of literature, including an abundance of Bibles, where one can make their own decisions....exactly as God intended and planned. Those seeking can find without your help...or mine.
You might do some New Testament reading, assuming you are a believer in the New Testament, and find where Jesus ever brow beat or battered non believers into following? Didn't happen. He presented His message and it was accepted or rejected, just like it is today. No need to argue over it. "Many are called, few are chosen" .....let it go!
Regards!

You know, Rupert, I'm not a Christian, but maybe that's why I don't understand why the whole 'Big bang' is seen as such a threat by those who believe the Universe began with 'Let There Be Light.'

I mean, if you stop there, it *could* fit.

But so does the notion all manifestation rises as a wave.

Doesn't *prove* anything, is all, and one wonders what people expect to follow from the idea that it *does.*

Oh, yeah. Authority. To say it's a 'creation' implies *ownership* to a human. And from *ownership* comes, what, by that rationale.

There's a lot of 'creation' stories out there. Very few cultures attach so much posturing to 'proving' things.

Maybe it just diverts from the way people want to frame the question: "Does my God exist, or do none?" In the process you've accepted a *premise.* That premise being that it's either your way or nothing.

I think the cosmos is far cooler than that, and I'm nowhere near arrogant enough to either think I'm the biggest critter out there, nor that I have The Biggest Critter Out There In My Back Pocket, Obey My Hangups, either.

I've come to believe that there's nothing to fear about knowing as much as we can know about the world we can observe. The Mysteries don't break that easily as some seem to fear. (As for responsible use of knowledge, that's another matter, but dumbing down doesn't seem to help there, either.)

This whole Creationist thing isn't about Gods. It's about trying to cram all the wonder into a book, and tell people 'Don't look.'

[mithrandir]

Originally Posted by Damn Brit

When my friends dog, Zeus, runs away, he shouts "Hey Zeus, come back".

Gary, If you haven't already read it, you will probably get a blast out of Marie Phillips' book "gods behaving badly."

[Ash]

Originally Posted by borno

What kind of post is this Rupert? It makes too much sense.

You're surprised that Rupert can make sense?
Good one Rupert - as a believer also, but from a very different background, it's quite clear to me there's little point in discussing theological truths or having rebuttals or even apologetics. They've only served to strengthen each others' resolve and get nowhere in reaching mutual understanding or respect.

The OP has tried (probably in the best way he knows) to get his message across with the premise that seeds sown all over the place will grow somewhere, but I'm not sure it's appropriate.

Well, at least it's not as controversial as politics on the forum...

[Damn Brit]

Originally Posted by Ash

Well, at least it's not as controversial as politics on the forum...

I think on that note, it's time to close this thread before you are forced to eat your words Ash.