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Pentax *istDS Camera Information/Reviews

*istDS
Year introduced
2004
Mount
Crippled KAF
Meter range
1 - 21.5 EV
Meter pattern
m (16 segments) c s
ISO range (expanded)
200 - 3200
Expanded dynamic range
No
Exposure modes
AutoPict, P, Av, Tv, M, B
Exposure compensation
+/-2 EV
Exposure lock
Yes
Shutter speeds (auto)
30 - 1/4000s
Shutter speeds (manual)
30 - 1/4000s
Self timer
Yes
Mirror lock-up
Yes
Continuos shooting
2.8 fps up to 8 frames
Auto bracketing
Yes
HDR mode
No
Multiple exposures
No
Built-in flash
Yes, GN 15.6 (ISO 200)
TTL flash
Yes
P-TTL flash
Yes
Sync speed
1/180s
Flash exposure comp
-2 to 1 EV
Autofocus
Yes (11 points)
Autofocus sensitivity
-1 to 18 EV
Autofocus with SDM
No
AF Assist
No
Front/Back focus corr
No
Power zoom
No
Lens correction
No
Viewfinder
0.95x, 95%
Viewfinder type
Pentaprism
Diopter adjustment
-2.5 to +1.5
AF Points in viewfinder
Yes
Exchangeable screen
Yes
Depth of field preview
Yes
Digital preview
No
Live view
No
Movie
No
Sound
No
Camera controls
1 control wheel. Most functions accessed though menus
Custom Functions
19
Shake reduction
No
Dust removal / alert
No
Pixel mapping
No
Image size
16 x 24 mm
Sensor
6.1 MP CCD
File format
PEF, JPG
Memory card type
SD
Back LCD
2 in. 210,000 pix
Top LCD
Yes
Weather resistant
No
Battery
4 x AA
Battery grip
No
Size (W x H x D)
125 x 92.5 x 66 mm
Weight
505 g
Comment
Program modes: Normal, Portrait, Landscape, Macro, Action, Night-scene portrait, Flash off.
Extra flash functions: Wireless, High-speed, Contrast control.
The *istD and DS/DS2 are the only Pentax DSLR's with support for TTL flash. TTL flash works where P-TTL doesn't: With M and K lenses, bellows, manual extension tubes.
Exposure modes with M and K lenses restricted to Av (with aperture always wide open) and M


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» review of Pentax *istDS
05-25-2009, 05:53 AM #2
uccemebug
Senior Member

background


I am at once an avid photographer and a slow adapter of new technology. With a burn rate of about three roles of film a week, have always been quite happy with my existing film cameras (SLR and rangefinder) and was unsure whether I was going to enjoy the transition to digital photography. But by the summer of 2006 I was ready to take the plunge.

Since my existing lens collection (Minolta manual focus) was not supported by any modern manufacturer, I was free to chose any model on the market. Comparing the different offerings at the time, the Pentax *istDS stood out because of the decision by Pentax to support their huge stable of outstanding K-mount lenses. Here was a body that built on Pentax's well-received *istD that would allow me to pick up a collection of top-quality used manual-focus lenses without demanding a huge up-front investment.

I decided that the *istDS met my needs, and made the purchase looking at this body as something I would likely upgrade in two years time. As of this time of writing it's now been nearly three years and well over 14,000 frames. And I'm still discovering new ways of getting great images out of this camera.

I have used this camera primarily on the street and for travel, as well as for get-togethers, for night-time long-exposure work and even for jewelry product photography. I have done a small amount of sports photography, but have not attempted nature/bird-in-flight photography. I have used both manual-focus and autofocus lenses for the *istDS, and have used similar products from Olympus and Nikon, as well as many film cameras from Pentax and other manufacturers since ~1990.

benefits


Briefly put, this camera has these chief benefits for a hobbiest photographer: controls that are well placed, easy to use, and simple; solid construction; good (if not great) low light / high ISO performance; support for both made-for-digital and legacy film lenses (including manual focus); a very powerful built-in flash; and a basic complement of the features that are useful.

controls
This camera is now a few generations out of date, and as such does not have many of the more modern features found on Pentax cameras, such as anti-shake, ISO-priority exposure mode, automated dust-removal, or video capture. These limitations are reflected in the controls for this camera: they are dead simple and laid out in a way that for the most part is both logical and ergonomically pleasing.

The four-way control to the right of the LED is the one weak element. The thing is a bit finacky, and I've found it impossible to use if I'm wearing gloves. Also, it's not clear why there's a 'Fn' button in addition to the 'Ok' button in the centre of the four-way controller. But that aside, the controls for the display and menu are reasonable and I've never noticed any missed pushes or other errors as with cheaply-made point-and-shoot buttons. For an entry-level DSLR, these are quite satisfactory.

The rear wheel has just the right roll and resistance, and the shutter is responsive if lacking any real shutter-release sensation.

You have to use the four-way controller to set the ISO for some reason. That is the only real mis-step in the design and layout of the controls, in my opinion. Otherwise, I took to the layout of the controls quite quickly and have no complaints in daily use. One plus is that unlike some older film cameras, nothing is every accidentally set because some dial got partially turned, and none of the controls seem like they will ever wear out.

The placement of the other features is also good. The metal tripod mount is centre to the body, the strap lugs are placed very well (unlike late model Olympus bodies), the large battery chamber is well placed and manages to both be easy to open and not prone to accidentally falling open.

construction
As a long-time user of all-metal body film cameras (Minolta SRT-101 and XD, Pentax MX) and later plastic-on-metal-frame designs like the Minolta X-700, I was put off by the molded plastic look of the *istDS. But the camera has a significant heft to it that at once stabilizes the body during use and acts as an anchor for weighty metal lenses. The body is very solidly made, more so I found than Nikon cameras of about the same vintage (e.g. D70) and the Canon Kiss-series body I've used (which was dreadful). It is not a light camera to lug around for great periods, but I find the trade off more than acceptable.

lens support
As with all Pentax DSLR's, the *istDS supports all K-mount lenses and through the use of an adapter can be used with the antique M42 lenses. There are K-mount lenses from a variety (more than fifty!) of vendors, as this lens mount is both an open standard and one that's been around since 1975. Naturally, this includes manual focus as well as autofocus lenses.

Support for manual-focus lenses is accomplished through setting the "Using Aperture ring" menu item to "Permitted". When you're shooting with the manual-focus lenses, metering requires that you thumb the 'AE-L' button on the back of the camera. Thus, support is not exactly 100%, and hence the term 'crippled KAF2' in the name of the mount.

Curiously, the meter tends to overexpose when using manual focus lenses, and I find that it's best to either bracket all shots made with a manual focus lens, or to us ethe thumb wheel to reduce exposure by 1/3 of a stop.

low-light performance
My wife and I regularly use this camera at ISO 1600. I find the noise to be inline with ISO 1600 film. Both are only usable under certain circumstances, and both can fail badly under difficult conditions. The *istDS's sensor doesn't seem to be prone to reciprocity failure the way that film can.

Using the camera's very useful two-second timer, I have got pleasing results using the ISO 1600 sensitivity under very low-light conditions while holding the camera in my hand (no tripod).

For an entry-model camera dating to 2004, I find the higher speed sentivity ratings (ISO 800, 1600) very usable. ISO 3200 is another story; it's more noise than signal.

flash
The built-in flash on this unit is surprisingly strong. Too strong, in fact, for manual focus lenses which require some tinkering with the 'flash compensation' in the menu. With autofocus lenses, the flash unit is both powerful and versatile.

This camera, unlike all later Pentax DSLR models, has true TTL metering for external flash units. I've played with some external flashes and had mixed results -- this is more of a failing on my part to find manuals for the flashes I've found than any fault of the camera.

useful features
A full list of the features in this camera is beyond the scope this review. That said, the ones I find most useful are:


  • 2-second timer (poor man's antishake)

  • configurable bracket values (e.g. set them to +/- 1/3EV, +/- 2/3EV, etc)

  • custom white balance (product photography is hopeless without this)



This camera is missing very few features that I look for as someone who uses this unit both in day-to-day walking about and in producing images for my business. This is the list of things I'd want to see in a camera with these specs:


  • Meter adjust: the meter in this camera consistently overexposes by 1/3 of a stop. Using the thumb button to meter, then compensating 1/3 of a stop with the wheel is annoying.

  • Auto ISO (see below).

  • a dedicated ISO button.



weaknesses


Like all cameras, this model has some weaknesses.

Auto ISO
Listed as a feature of this camera, the Auto ISO is one of the configurable items. Unfortunately, it seems to do nothing. I don't know if the mechanics behind this were ever even built, I've never seen any hint of it actually working.

the thumb button for metering
I tire of using the AE-L button all the time to meter with manual focus lenses. I'm not sure why this design comprimise was necessary but it's something that I have a hard time reminding people about when I hand them the camera and rightly so: it's dumb.

slow buffer
Even JPG's can take a while to write to memory card, but when shooting repeat RAW images, the buffer just can't cope. Even for its time, the buffer in this camera was poor. Now it's a standout, even behind those upper-tier point and shoot cameras that feature RAW capabilities.

abysmal autofocus
I bought a 21mm Limited autofocus lens to go along with this camera. But the lens sits on the shelf, passed over for my SMC 28mm f/3.5. The reason being the godawful autofocus on this camera. It's not just that the autofocus hunts unnecessarily or can't make up it's mind: it's that the camera sometimes (about once a day, at my rate of use) simply refuses to take the photo. It's so bad that I simply can't tolerate it.

Since refusing to take a photo is counter to a camera's basic functionality, I consider this to be a major detraction for anyone shooting with autofocus lenses. My 21mm Limited was simply a fancy (and expensive) paperweight until my son was born; now I don't even see it. This is very disappointing.

viewfinder
I find the viewfinder constrictive. It's not as bad as a 4/3 system viewfinder, but the image is quite a lot smaller than "full frame" beauties like Pentax's fabled LX which has a viewfinder that of course can't be reproduced on the *istDS's APS-C format. And yet, the 95% view in the viewfinder means that poles and wires and manhole covers have a tendency to creep into the edges of the frame, and I've had occasional problems with lens flare for the same reason (cured by the adoption of some cheap hoods).

summary


My *istDS is in extra innings and will continue to see daily use. I appreciate its strengths more than its weaknesses, and believe that Pentax could still offer a model very similar to this unit if they perhaps updated the buffer and autofocus, and of course slapped in a larger LED. I find the 6MP size of the RAW images perfect -- not too big for editing hundreds of files, and not too small to produce A4-size prints for my wall.

All in all, I recommend this camera for anyone looking for a relatively compact used body to support manual focus lenses.

note: I have copied this review from my website, where I review some other non-Pentax models.

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06-08-2009, 02:27 PM #3
DAZ
Pentaxian

Auto ISO was one of the things add by firmware upgrade. Also add (among other things) was continues auto focusing. You could only get continues auto focusing in sports mode. Not fast but it is there. Basically sports mode just set the shutter speed higher and gave you continues auto focusing. Not remembering the continues auto focusing part got me one time. I was trying to use the SB on the external flash. In continues auto focusing the SB will not turn on.

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07-10-2009, 04:52 PM #4
Clarkey
Senior Member

After having the DS for around three years, I would unhesitatingly recommend this camera to anyone. Coupled with the 40mm Ltd, it is still one of the most durable, pocketable DSLRs out there.

Pros.
Pentaprism viewfinder which will accept third party focus.ing screens for better manual focus
Easy to see the aperture/numbers in the viewfinder.
TTL flash metering
Great grip that has not been bettered IMO (except maybe by the K7) in the Pentax DSLR world.
Lack of high ISO noise compared with higher res cameras (especially with respect to the K200D)
Ability to use CRV-3 batteries (light, long lasting)
Top panel LCD (I wish they had kept this with the K-m)
Small file sizes
Light weight - It was the lightest in the word at the time and proves that pentaprism cameras can be made in small dimensions.

Cons
Small LCD screen compared with modern DLSR's.
Soft JPGs.
No ISO 100 setting.
No Image Stabilisation

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07-15-2009, 09:08 AM #5
Matjazz
Pentaxian

You said it all Clarkey
I like this camera a lot and I'm still waiting for Pentax to make a small camera with AA support, pentaprism and SR. The later is the only reason I got my self new camera.
 
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» My only DSLR...
07-22-2009, 04:18 PM #6
pentaxkat
Member

...but I love it!

Pros:-
small-until recently (OK I admit I'd kill to own an Olympus EP-1 as well-that has to be the coolest looking "serious hobby" camera since, well, since the pentax M series!). Most friends thought it was a compact.

great viewfinder-not that much worse than my old Super A

I think its got pretty good low light performance-6mp is enough for me most of the time anyway.

Pretty well designed ergonomically-I like the on-off switch and thumbwheel in particular. I don't like the look of what they have done on the KM (but then I've not used it...)

I use rechargeable CV3s which last ages, but like the fact I can stick AAs in it in an emergency (good for travel-everywhere in the world sells AAs).

It is going to be a cult "vintage" digital SLR. Trust me. There will come a time.

Cons:-
hate the grip. You are either a grip lover or hater and I'm a hater. The new Olympus SLRs which have pretty much ditched the grip have me wishing I could stick a limited lens on something like that. But then I've always adored the 70s M and K series (and OM).

loud shutter noise-reminds me of Canon AE-1 program (although that was a lot worse-like a cat being shot at). I enjoy shutter noise but not when it sounds like my DS.

some of the buttons and menus aren't very well thought through-a big dial for picture modes sucks-why not put ISO or white balance or something vaguely useful on there?
ISO and white balance are a bit buried in the menus, but its like second nature now.

obviously technology has moved on a bit-most notably I'd like my DS to have SR (= K100) and decent live view. Now I love the penta-prism but live view with a tilting viewfinder would be great for crowds, macros and tripod use (like a waist level finder!). Although I might be stupid and snap it off. The DS like my Super A get knocked a bit. I start off precious then I go on hikes and balance it on rocks with my new limited lens...

Until now I have felt no urge whatsoever to upgrade my DS. However, now there are two cameras that finally excite me in 2009 (Olympus EP-1 for travel and Pentax K7 for when weight is less of an issue-finally a super specced camera that isn't the size of a huge tank). I can't afford either so I'm sticking with the DS for now. Its still so much fun to carry round and use!
 
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08-20-2009, 12:08 PM #7
EsBee
Site Supporter

I got this little wonder a few months ago from a fellow member and have barely touched the K20D since. Mated to my FA28-70 f4, it has followed me just about everywhere. It is right now listed in Marketplace so wanted to throw my impressions here before it leaves my possession.

Pros:
  • Size (small)
  • Cost (about the same price as a new kit lens)
  • TTL and P-TTL capable
  • Powerful built-in flash
  • AA-capable and excellent battery life
  • Build quality

Cons:
  • No SR
  • Crop-ability (Not enough pixels to aggressively crop)
  • Not weather/dust resistant

The inexpensive and extremely portable setup allowed me to take probably ten times more photos than I would have otherwise taken using my K20D and as a result, gotten more of my photos into PPG than the K20D.
 
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