Originally posted by Marc Sabatella I don't now what it does in any other mode, but manual mode is the only one where it has the *specific* function I mentioned, which as far as I know is the entire basis of the term "hypermanual".
OK, interesting perspective. The thing that I personally find most interesting about M on the K10D/K20D is the fact that you can get shutter and aperture locked to one another, so you move one and the other adjusts. In other words, if hyper-program in P means that you can use P almost as if it were M (which it does), then hyper-manual in M would mean that you could use M almost as if it were P. That makes terrific sense. Both in P and M, the green button simply gives you the camera's opinion about a technically correct exposure, as a starting point (and thus also acts as a sort of "reset" button).
It does seem to me that P and M could both work this way even if there weren't a green button. I guess in that case, P would give you a guess about exposure when you selected P on the mode dial; after that, there wouldn't be a reset option, so to speak. And in M, you'd have to use the meter on the LED to get a starting point - which is what I always used to do anyway.
I am not disagreeing with you, though, and I appreciate hearing that you regard the green button as integral. I certainly agree that the green button is darned useful!
Quote: Most cameras in manual mode force you to keep spinning dials until the meter zeroes out; (only?) Pentax gives you a one button automatic.
I really would like to know if this is indeed a feature unique to Pentax. It's so clever that I can't imagine nobody has copied it by now.
Quote: As for what it does in other modes; it definitely wouldn't be what I described, since it is totally unnecessary in any other mode to hit a button to set an appropriate shutter speed or aperture - the whole point of the other mdoes is that they do this automatically, no button press required.
I see now that green button does nothing (as far as I can tell) in Av and Tv. But in P, it does seem to me that it works exactly as it does in M: it lets the camera set aperture and shutter based on the stored pref regarding program line. It's true that in P, even before you hit the green button you had an exposure that was making the light meter happy, where in M just before you hit green button the meter could show extreme under- or over-exposure. But that's just the difference between P and M. The green button itself does the same thing. The test is that, no matter what the settings in M or P are to start with, if I hit green button, I will get the same result both in P or M (for the same scene and lighting conditions).
Addendum a few minutes later: Looks like the green button works on the K20D in TAv mode, too. Just thought I'd acknowledge that.
But again I'm not disagreeing. Probably at the moment I'm focusing on everything beside the green button because the green button is the thing that I DID understand before I asked this question.
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I do think I could live very happily with a mode dial that had only four options: P, M, User (although I use it rarely), and TAv - and I could get rid of TAv if it were possible to use auto-ISO in M (as apparently it is on a Nikon).
These are really nice features of the Pentax K10D/K20D. You might be able to get something similar on a K100D or K200D although having two e-dials really does make it all much easier.
Thanks,
Will