Photo Forum Russia - Pentax stand - and info about new DSLR

zapp · 04-21-2012, 07:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ogl

4. Please, don't sell old K-mount FF lenses....

Like what???
I would be happy to see 10 new FF lenses because without a lot of new glass the FF camera would make no sense at all.
No current wide angle will fit and the current focal length line up are optimzed for smaller sensors.
There was a time when Leica told everybody that they should stick to the R system - which is gone by now.

old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass.

jsherman999 · 04-21-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Like what???

old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass.

Of course it depends entirely on what 'old glass' you're talking about.

.

ElJamoquio · 04-21-2012, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Like what???
I would be happy to see 10 new FF lenses because without a lot of new glass the FF camera would make no sense at all.
No current wide angle will fit and the current focal length line up are optimzed for smaller sensors.
There was a time when Leica told everybody that they should stick to the R system - which is gone by now.

old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass.

That seems like a rather blanket statement. Old glass can be an is often good.

and... right now there are many, many, many 'new' ff glass options.

Hell, I'll start a thread on it.

ogl · 04-21-2012, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by zapp

Please, don't sell old K-mount FF lenses....

Like what???

he said it many times....

Kunzite · 04-21-2012, 08:29 AM

... because there are many old K-mount FF lenses

ogl · 04-21-2012, 08:41 AM

Said also about price reduction of 645D this year.

ElJamoquio · 04-21-2012, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Said also about price reduction of 645D this year.

I think we might have a bit of a translation problem here -

This Pentax representative was reported to have said the 645D was going to go down in price this year?

ogl · 04-21-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I think we might have a bit of a translation problem here -

This Pentax representative was reported to have said the 645D was going to go down in price this year?

Yeah...price cutting

VladimirYo · 04-21-2012, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Yeah...price cutting

Nobody sad this on Russian trade show. I was there. You didn't.

ogl · 04-21-2012, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by VladimirYo

Nobody sad this on Russian trade show. I was there. You not.

????? ? ?? ?? Pentax - ?????? ?????-????? - ???????? 45

You can't confirm it or deny it, because you didn't spent all the time with Pentax representative and didn't record all his words.

VladimirYo · 04-21-2012, 10:52 AM - **1 Like**

On two press-conferences Anton Melnikov didn't say this to the audience. I was on both. But of course 645D is an old enough camera and price cutting is logic step.

ElJamoquio · 04-21-2012, 11:10 AM

Yes, it does seem quite appropriate, especially with the D800 coming in at 3k.

I think I'd rather have the 645D than the D800... but I'm actually not completely sure about that. I don't think there's going to be an Sigma-Merrill (sp?) type situation here but perhaps a reduction to ~7K is in order.

ogl · 04-21-2012, 11:16 AM

I see two ways:
1. New 645D Mk II with price USD10 000. 645D will go to the level of USD6000-7000.
2. Sony will produce new cheap MF sensors...And situation could be rather unpredictable ...In the finest sense .

What will we see? I don't know

ElJamoquio · 04-21-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by ogl

I see two ways:
1. New 645D Mk II with price USD10 000. 645D will go to the level of USD6000-7000.
2. Sony will produce new cheap MF sensors...And situation could be rather unpredictable ...In the finest sense .

What will we see? I don't know

Either one of those situations would be pretty nice. Unfortunately the doubling (or more) of price from D800/35mm or whatever lens to 645D/55mm isn't really 'worth it' to most, especially when you consider the ubiquity, weight, etc., advantages of the Nikon.

On the other hand the 645D is reasonably price/IQ competitive with other systems, say 1DX etc. Those other systems aren't as limited to 'slow' photography, though, of course.

So what's the 'right' price for the 645D in the market? I certainly think it'd be a hit at $6k, especially if there appears to be support for a 'system' - i.e. the 645D II is released, and a few more lenses are released...

marcusyoung · 04-21-2012, 07:28 PM

A price reduction for 645D is logical, given that its more than a yearl old. With nikon 36 M pixels going at 3K and pentax about 10K for 40 M pixels, it beocmes unattractive to compete with its competitors. Those who wants a 645d would have gotten it by now and so the growth phase is over by now as its more than a year old in technology.

(So what's the 'right' price for the 645D in the market? I certainly think it'd be a hit at $6k, especially if there appears to be support for a 'system' - i.e. the 645D II is released, and a few more lenses are released...)

I agree and would welcome this news...lol...

marcus

04-21-2012, 08:17 AM	#153
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by zapp Like what??? I would be happy to see 10 new FF lenses because without a lot of new glass the FF camera would make no sense at all. No current wide angle will fit and the current focal length line up are optimzed for smaller sensors. There was a time when Leica told everybody that they should stick to the R system - which is gone by now. old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass. That seems like a rather blanket statement. Old glass can be an is often good. and... right now there are many, many, many 'new' ff glass options. Hell, I'll start a thread on it. Last edited by ElJamoquio; 04-21-2012 at 08:31 AM.

04-21-2012, 10:10 AM	#159
VladimirYo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 290	Originally posted by ogl Yeah...price cutting Nobody sad this on Russian trade show. I was there. You didn't. Last edited by VladimirYo; 04-21-2012 at 10:56 AM.

04-21-2012, 10:44 AM	#160
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by VladimirYo Nobody sad this on Russian trade show. I was there. You not. ????? ? ?? ?? Pentax - ?????? ?????-????? - ???????? 45 You can't confirm it or deny it, because you didn't spent all the time with Pentax representative and didn't record all his words. Last edited by ogl; 04-21-2012 at 10:53 AM.

04-21-2012, 10:52 AM - 1 Like	#161
VladimirYo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 290	On two press-conferences Anton Melnikov didn't say this to the audience. I was on both. But of course 645D is an old enough camera and price cutting is logic step. Last edited by VladimirYo; 04-21-2012 at 12:04 PM.

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04-21-2012, 07:54 AM - 1 Like	#151
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,388	Originally posted by ogl 4. Please, don't sell old K-mount FF lenses.... Like what??? I would be happy to see 10 new FF lenses because without a lot of new glass the FF camera would make no sense at all. No current wide angle will fit and the current focal length line up are optimzed for smaller sensors. There was a time when Leica told everybody that they should stick to the R system - which is gone by now. old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass.

04-21-2012, 08:04 AM	#152
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by zapp Like what??? old glass is OLD GLASS is old glass and will remain OLD glass. A new camera (sensor) requires new glass. Of course it depends entirely on what 'old glass' you're talking about. .

04-21-2012, 08:25 AM	#154
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by zapp Please, don't sell old K-mount FF lenses.... Like what??? he said it many times....

04-21-2012, 08:29 AM	#155
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	... because there are many old K-mount FF lenses

04-21-2012, 08:41 AM	#156
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Said also about price reduction of 645D this year.

04-21-2012, 08:46 AM	#157
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by ogl Said also about price reduction of 645D this year. I think we might have a bit of a translation problem here - This Pentax representative was reported to have said the 645D was going to go down in price this year?

04-21-2012, 09:23 AM	#158
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I think we might have a bit of a translation problem here - This Pentax representative was reported to have said the 645D was going to go down in price this year? Yeah...price cutting

04-21-2012, 11:10 AM	#162
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Yes, it does seem quite appropriate, especially with the D800 coming in at 3k. I think I'd rather have the 645D than the D800... but I'm actually not completely sure about that. I don't think there's going to be an Sigma-Merrill (sp?) type situation here but perhaps a reduction to ~7K is in order.

04-21-2012, 11:16 AM	#163
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382 Original Poster	I see two ways: 1. New 645D Mk II with price USD10 000. 645D will go to the level of USD6000-7000. 2. Sony will produce new cheap MF sensors...And situation could be rather unpredictable ...In the finest sense . What will we see? I don't know

04-21-2012, 11:23 AM	#164
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by ogl I see two ways: 1. New 645D Mk II with price USD10 000. 645D will go to the level of USD6000-7000. 2. Sony will produce new cheap MF sensors...And situation could be rather unpredictable ...In the finest sense . What will we see? I don't know Either one of those situations would be pretty nice. Unfortunately the doubling (or more) of price from D800/35mm or whatever lens to 645D/55mm isn't really 'worth it' to most, especially when you consider the ubiquity, weight, etc., advantages of the Nikon. On the other hand the 645D is reasonably price/IQ competitive with other systems, say 1DX etc. Those other systems aren't as limited to 'slow' photography, though, of course. So what's the 'right' price for the 645D in the market? I certainly think it'd be a hit at $6k, especially if there appears to be support for a 'system' - i.e. the 645D II is released, and a few more lenses are released...

04-21-2012, 07:28 PM	#165
marcusyoung Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: singapore Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,123	A price reduction for 645D is logical, given that its more than a yearl old. With nikon 36 M pixels going at 3K and pentax about 10K for 40 M pixels, it beocmes unattractive to compete with its competitors. Those who wants a 645d would have gotten it by now and so the growth phase is over by now as its more than a year old in technology. (So what's the 'right' price for the 645D in the market? I certainly think it'd be a hit at $6k, especially if there appears to be support for a 'system' - i.e. the 645D II is released, and a few more lenses are released...) I agree and would welcome this news...lol... marcus