[jogiba]

Officials told NBC News that all four were purchased legally, beginning in May, from two national chain stores: Gander Mountain Guns and Bass Pro Shops.

Bass Pro Shops released a statement saying that employees at a Denver store followed all laws when they sold two weapons to Holmes. "We want to offer our deepest sympathies to the victims and their families," said Larry Whiteley, manager of communications for the company. "This is an unspeakable tragedy, and we join with all Americans in offering our prayerful support. Based on the records we have reviewed, personnel in our Denver store correctly and fully followed all Federal requirements with respect to the sale of one shotgun and one handgun to the individual identified in this incident. Background checks, as required by Federal law, were properly conducted, and he was approved. Again, our hearts go out to the victims and their families. We also offer our support and appreciation to the law enforcement and emergency response professionals and all others who responded to give aid to these innocent victims."

A neighbor, Tom Mai, told The Los Angeles Times that Holmes was a shy, well-mannered kid who was very active in the church. The Associated Press reported that the family attended a Presbyterian church and threw a quiet Christmas party for neighbors. Holmes had trouble finding work after college, Mai said, and then went off to graduate school.

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes was buying guns, dropping out of neuroscience graduate school - U.S. News

Maybe we should not let shy, well-mannered kids who was very active in the church buy guns.



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[Parallax]

So?
The problem was that they weren't used legally. Nearly every car that was ever used by a drunk to kill somebody was purchased legally as well; so what's the point.
The fact that guns can be purchased legally in the U.S. isn't really news.

[jogiba]

So?

So you think there should be no restrictions on the sale of AK47s to shy, well-mannered kids who were very active in the church ?

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[Parallax]

Are you somehow under the impression that he bought these on the internet, as in had them delivered to him? He didn't. He went to FFL dealers and went through the same process as with any other sale.
I've seen you grasp at straws before, but you're really stretching on this one.

[jogiba]

Are you somehow under the impression that he bought these on the internet, as in had them delivered to him? He didn't. He went to FFL dealers and went through the same process as with any other sale.
I've seen you grasp at straws before, but you're really stretching on this one.

Were did I say he purchased them off the internet ? The bottom line is anyone like him could buy an AR15 like he did ?

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[Parallax]

Were did I say he purchased them off the internet ? The bottom line is anyone like him could buy an AR15 like he did ?

By golly, you're right. People can buy guns in the U.S. Learn something new every day. Funny the subject has never been mentioned before

[jimH]

Are you somehow under the impression that he bought these on the internet, as in had them delivered to him? He didn't. He went to FFL dealers and went through the same process as with any other sale.
I've seen you grasp at straws before, but you're really stretching on this one.

I agree with you Jim. The gun banners will grasp at any straw to prove their point on banning gun ownership. If we used the same logic and emotional appeal that they use on guns and then apply it to cars and trucks, all of them would have to be banned and taken off the market because of all of the deaths they cause. Obviously they don't use the same yardstick with them as they do guns, since according to them, "guns kill people" but the don't use the logic of "cars and trucks kill people" so we should ban cars and trucks. This guy could have just as easily have driven his car into a crowd of people and done the same kind of damage, but chose this more dramatic way to exercise his madness.

[Blue]

Were did I say he purchased them off the internet ? The bottom line is anyone like him could buy an AR15 like he did ?

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The AK 47 fires a round 7.62x39 designed by the Soviets hand has similar ballistics to the .30-30 Winchester. It is semi-automatic. Woopie. There are many hunting and competition rifles far more powerful.

The AR-15 is 5.56 Nato very similar to the .223 Rem and is a varmint round and the rifle is semi-automatic or it would be called an M-16.

On a separate note, are they going to pull the movie from viewing? Or are we going to have to wait for a few more Jokers to show up out of the screen? This guy was off the reservation. Where did he get his tear gas and booby traps?

[Blue]

I agree with you Jim. The gun banners will grasp at any straw to prove their point on banning gun ownership. If we used the same logic and emotional appeal that they use on guns and then apply it to cars and trucks, all of them would have to be banned and taken off the market because of all of the deaths they cause. Obviously they don't use the same yardstick with them as they do guns, since according to them, "guns kill people" but the don't use the logic of "cars and trucks kill people" so we should ban cars and trucks. This guy could have just as easily have driven his car into a crowd of people and done the same kind of damage, but chose this more dramatic way to exercise his madness.

I don't remember them getting their knickers bunched up over the terrorist that did the Ft. Hood shooting other than getting mad when people called him a terrorist.

[Nesster]

So?
The problem was that they weren't used legally. Nearly every car that was ever used by a drunk to kill somebody was purchased legally as well; so what's the point.
The fact that guns can be purchased legally in the U.S. isn't really news.

so it should be legal for someone to go and buy a tank, a grenade launch vehicle, or some other "car" designed expressly to kill?

[Blue]

By golly, you're right. People can buy guns in the U.S. Learn something new every day. Funny the subject has never been mentioned before

Could he be saying that everyone will be a convicted felon and/or mental patient sooner or later?

[jogiba]

I agree with you Jim. The gun banners will grasp at any straw to prove their point on banning gun ownership. If we used the same logic and emotional appeal that they use on guns and then apply it to cars and trucks, all of them would have to be banned and taken off the market because of all of the deaths they cause. Obviously they don't use the same yardstick with them as they do guns, since according to them, "guns kill people" but the don't use the logic of "cars and trucks kill people" so we should ban cars and trucks. This guy could have just as easily have driven his car into a crowd of people and done the same kind of damage, but chose this more dramatic way to exercise his madness.

Do you hunt with assault weapons ? You gun lovers are so bent out of shape you think we are going to take all you guns away if we reinstate the assault weapons ban . You are like little 5 year old boys crying for your assault weapons so you could get your cookies like John Wayne.

[Blue]

so it should be legal for someone to go and buy a tank, a grenade launch vehicle, or some other "car" designed expressly to kill?

He didn't have a tank, a grenade launch vehicle (what ever the hell that is). Those weapons are hype and the looks and hollywood has helped feed that frenzy. See my comments above regarding them. The big question is how the heck did he carry 4 rifles, a shotgun and pistol not to mention the tear gas. What do you want to bet that if he couldn't get weapons he would have made some other weapon such as a bomb or bio-weapon?

[jogiba]

I don't remember them getting their knickers bunched up over the terrorist that did the Ft. Hood shooting other than getting mad when people called him a terrorist.

I was on the US Army 172nd Brigade Rifle team in Alaska and have an Expert Badge with the M60 Machine Gun when I was in the Army but I don't get wet dreams like you thinking of assault weapons to have in my home.

[Blue]

Do you hunt with assault weapons ? You gun lovers are so bent out of shape you think we are going to take all you guns away if we reinstate the assault weapons ban . You are like little 5 year old boys crying for your assault weapons so you could get your cookies like John Wayne.

The 7.62x39 is more than adequate for white tail and the 5.56 (similar to .223) is a good varmint round most are target shooting. The term "assault weapon" doesn't really have the meaning you think. They were originally designed for paratroopers and were designed to light and have power closer to a pistol caliber. Think M3a, M1 Carbine (.30 Carbine not to be confused with the M1 Garrand battle rifle chambered for .30-06). The Thompson was a bit heavy even though it was .45 acp so they came up with the M3 and the M1 Carbine. Its really a confusing buzz word thrown around be the media and Hollywood and it doesn't have much of a practical meaning the way they use it.