Pentax PEF and Apple MAC FAIL!

[schmik]

Weird... got my k7 today and PEF files will not display in Aperture, Photoshop CS3 and will not preview in finder.

Obviously the work around is to use DNG but WTF? Why? Is this an apple quirk or a pentax fcuk up? PEF files from my k100d are ok.

I tried doing all the system updates and it still doesn't work. I tried formatting the card too.

This is on an IMAC running 10.5.7, Photoshop CS3 and Aperture 2.1.2 (i know 2.1.3 is out haven't updated this yet).

Aperture and CS3 both say "unsupported file type". Finder can't preview the files anymore either.

EPIC FAIL!

mike

[emr]

Well, software every now and then has to be updated to support new file formats. I believe Lightroom was recently updated and my guess is that we'll have an Aperture update very soon.

[Zav]

Camera raw and the DNG file format have been recently updated in order to support corrections like the ones the K-7 does. Try this.
DNG updated to allow RAW corrections: Digital Photography Review

[RawheaD]

Settle the fcuk down. This always happens with new cameras, in case you didn't know.

[Ari]

This happened with PEF files from the k10d to k20d, but I believe there was an update (from Apple and Adobe). It should come soon for the k-7, as well.

[a a i b]

There will be an update to the OS ("Digital RAW" something) ... but I'm willing to bet it won't be right away. Apple takes their sweet time in updating their RAW decoder to include new cameras.

[Wheatfield]

Originally Posted by schmik

Weird... got my k7 today and PEF files will not display in Aperture, Photoshop CS3 and will not preview in finder.

Obviously the work around is to use DNG but WTF? Why? Is this an apple quirk or a pentax fcuk up? PEF files from my k100d are ok.

I tried doing all the system updates and it still doesn't work. I tried formatting the card too.

This is on an IMAC running 10.5.7, Photoshop CS3 and Aperture 2.1.2 (i know 2.1.3 is out haven't updated this yet).

Aperture and CS3 both say "unsupported file type". Finder can't preview the files anymore either.

EPIC FAIL!

mike

CS3 will not ever decode K-7 PEF files. Adobe won't update the converter to do it. If you want to shoot PEFs with the K-7 and use an Adobe raw converter you will need to upgrade to CS4. The recent update of Lightroom, I think they are up to 2.4 now included the K-7 PEF files.
FYI, the K-7 DNGs are coming out at about 12mb, I'm seeing absolutely no reason to shoot PEFs.

[Edvinas]

Originally Posted by Zav

Camera raw and the DNG file format have been recently updated in order to support corrections like the ones the K-7 does. Try this.
DNG updated to allow RAW corrections: Digital Photography Review

Those lens corrections in DNG 1.3 looks nice. Of course K-7 does not produce v1.3 DNGs, however it would be nice to see firmware update with DNG v1.3 new features implemented. After all Pentax implemented lens corrections in jpegs.

as for schmik problem... well, that's the beauty of open dng standard and uglyness of proprietary raw standards: DNGs from new and future cameras are supported by existing software, PEFs are not and all RAW processing software needs to be updated for every camera that comes out. I think adobe already released new camera raw which supports K-7 PEFs.

Most likely those PEFs are of the same format as K20Ds PEFs, however there's no warranty that K-7 PEFs have changed and needs different processing.

[schmik]

Originally Posted by RawheaD

Settle the fcuk down. This always happens with new cameras, in case you didn't know.

Thanks for your advice, very useful!

The beta camera has been out for a long time. The format has existed for a long time. I believe it is just laziness that gets us into this situation. It's pretty poor from a 'professional' perspective. Adobe, Apple and Pentax are not backyard hacks. They are professionals.

Everyone else, thanks.

Mike

[attack11]

Originally Posted by a a i b

There will be an update to the OS ("Digital RAW" something) ... but I'm willing to bet it won't be right away. Apple takes their sweet time in updating their RAW decoder to include new cameras.

adobe released an acr update on june 24th adding support for the k-7d. i'm pretty sure 5.4 requires cs4, but i might be wrong.

love the apple hate.

fyi, pef is a proprietary format and for this reason new model support (via adobe camera raw / acr from adobe) usually follows the official release of the hardware. shoot dng, it's opensource and lacks this issue.

[a a i b]

Originally Posted by attack11

ove the apple hate..

eh, I'm an apple fanboi -- but they do take their sweet time with RAW updates ... and where is that next Aperture update?

[schmik]

So what changes between cameras for PEF? Do they change the format for every new model of camera.... surely not. A format is just that.... a format. So each new camera does not comply to the old format?

mike

[attack11]

Originally Posted by schmik

So what changes between cameras for PEF? Do they change the format for every new model of camera.... surely not. A format is just that.... a format. So each new camera does not comply to the old format?

mike

that's exactly what they change. pef, dng and every other "raw" format is a modified tiff with extra metadata that's proprietary.

every camera model revises the pef container with new metadata for the new camera. first party software for every camera release usually is incremental to reflect this.

dng doesn't change in this classic sense. adobe did just release a new 1.3 spec which allows for inclusion of 'visual fixes' data; but the dng from my k10d isn't any different than the dng from a k7d.

[emr]

Was the case that

Lens Correction function
A Lens Correction function adjusts for Distortion and Lateral Chromatic Aberrations, allowing you to maximize your image quality for every digital lens.*

is now in the new raw file?

[emr]

On page 202, the manual states that lens correction information is also stored in the RAW format.

K7 and Adobe LR and ACR