Author: | | New Member Registered: December, 2012 Posts: 13 2 users found this helpful | Review Date: December 26, 2014 | Recommended | Price: $250.00
| Rating: 9 |
Pros: | same sensor as K5, good for video | Cons: | none for the price | Ergonomics: 9
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 8
Autofocus: 8
Features: 8
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
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At the current prices this camera is a bargain. It is a very good second camera if you have the K5 or other model with an optical viewfinder. This camera works very well with the Carry Speed VF-4 view finder attachment which magnifies the image and enables you to focus very well. For me this attachment doubles the usefulness of this camera. I can manual focus with it better than the K5's optical viewfinder so it is great to use with older lenses.
| | | | | Loyal Site Supporter Registered: September, 2009 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 7,594 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: November 11, 2014 | Recommended | Price: $339.00
| Rating: 10 |
Pros: | High IQ, good video, focus peaking, so Beautiful! | Cons: | No viewfinder, | Ergonomics: 9
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 10
Autofocus: 9
Features: 9
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
| | When this camera was first introduced it seemed like the dumbest idea Pentax every had. That impression was reinforced by the foolishly high price it had at first. When the price came down better reports began to appear. I purchased my K-01 two years ago but I continue to be astonished at the quality and ease of use of this much maligned and misunderstood camera. When I decided to go with Sony (A6000) and sell my Pentax equipment, this camera and the DA*60-250 made me change my mind. The quality and reliability of the camera are outstanding. It has a very weak AA filter so photos were always noticeably sharper than from my K5. Focus peaking was new then but it made the camera very friendly to manual focus lenses. The autofocus is both a strength and a weakness. The contrast detect system is very accurate but it is also slower than the phase detect used on DSLRs. But for most purposes the camera behaves very well. Many people have complained about the design but I find it practical and very elegant. It feels good in the hand and is very stable when place on a surface. It is not as small as some mirrorless cameras but it is significantly smaller than my DSLRs have been. It seems just the right size to me. At current prices it is an amazing bargain.
| | | | New Member Registered: September, 2014 Posts: 14 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: September 22, 2014 | Recommended | Price: $250.00
| Rating: 10 |
Pros: | Build, Design, Price, Image Quality, Everything | Cons: | Green Button Position, Maybe lack of viewfinder | Ergonomics: 9
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 10
Features: 10
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 10
New or Used: Used
| | I just got this camera today, and have been shooting with it the whole day so I thought that I should share my views. First Impressions:
The first time you look at it you realise two things, one, it is rathe big for a mirrorless camera, but this isn't a bad thing, it's actually Pentax's fault for marketing in such a way that it was competing with much thinner, more expensive, and somewhat less capable cameras. It is more of a hybrid. The thickness of the camera is caused by the DSLR-style flange distance required for Pentax K-Lenses and because of that, It also has an amazing range of lenses and more capability than standard mirrorless cameras. And two, the design is very different which is NOT a bad thing, I will talk more about this below. Specs:
Google them! Body and Design:
Wow, just, wow, is all I can say, the moment I took it out of the box I was blown away. It really feels like a premium product that one would pay big bucks for, It feels nice in the hand and is pleasing to the eye. Marc Newson did an amazing job with this and I congratulate him on doing so. I own the yellow version and although sometimes it looks like it belongs in the Wizard of Oz (Yellow brick road!) I really enjoy the design. Although ONE feature is annoying when using vintage glass and that is the positioning of the green button used for stop down metering on Pre-A lenses, I feel like I'm doing finger yoga whenever the light changes. The lack of a viewfinder has some people bothered, but you get used to it and the screen is not as bad as people make it seem Software Features:
Most are just gimmicks for your average person but for a serious amateur photographer, I don't use them, they don't get in my way. Something that is sort of software based is the in camera shake reduction. It works really well with old and new glass alike and is something more cameras should have. Image Quality:
With the Sony sensor inside this is one awesome camera when it comes to IQ, better than my Canon 60D and any other camera I have used for a matter of fact, it is up there with some of the best Canon's and Nikon's on the DxO mark charts. Being able to use superb quality old Pentax glass from the 80's makes it even that much better. High-ISO performance is tested and proven to be the best for any mirrorless camera and competes fiercely with the high end DSLR's. There isn't much image degrading noise until 12800 which then is still very usable and with the boost ISO of 25600 it is noisy but useful when doing photography at night when most light is needed and the picture just needs to be taken and image quality takes second priority. There is a wide dynamic range meaning that more shadows are captured especially. The sensor is sharp and accurate. Video:
I hate video. CONCLUSION:
Overall, I am very pleased with my purchase and the only annoyance is the awkward position of the green button, but apparently you might be able to assign that feature to the red button in a future update, so I'll wait and see.
I would definitely recommend this camera because with focus peaking and old glass you can take some really nice photos.
Thanks for reading
TL;DR: Amazing everything! | | | | Junior Member Registered: July, 2012 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 42 | Review Date: April 29, 2014 | Recommended | Price: $250.00
| Rating: 7 |
Pros: | super sharp, build quality | Cons: | no VF, screen in daylight, handling? AF | Ergonomics: 5
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 7
Autofocus: 6
Features: 7
Value: 8
Image Quality: 9
Noise: 9
New or Used: Used
| | Purchased second hand in Au as a second camera and for some wedding time lapse type work, due to the cheap availability.
The advantage of mirrorless has shown up, where, the lenses are used to their maximum sharpness (no need for micro adj?) This seemed to be the case with a 50mm f1.4 Sigma lens I trialled.....WOW impressively sharp and no need for PP sharpening, otherwise too many skin defects, seriously that good.
However, I am struggling with the AF hitting the target correctly. The AF zone seems to miss sometimes, so one has to be careful. Not getting this with my K5IIs.
Handling is ok, I am used to old film camera's but spoilt by the K5. I did miss a couple of shots due to not having the finger on the trigger correctly(oops). No VF is off putting, even though I am used to smart phones, felt I wanted to put it up to my eye all the time.
The sensor is brilliant as expected, the 16mp in these is a true classic. HDR mode has been fun to play with, backlighting fun outside portraits.
A Jeckyl and Hyde camera, one I am keen to get in my new studio set up. It's a fun cam with great IQ, but misses out on not having an EVF and being slightly older tech mirror less. The AF accuracy bugs me, but a great landscape shooter and for fun, being slightly different. Overall doesn't inspire me with as much confidence as I would have hoped. It would be good to see Pentax give this another go, new design, better AF, EVF, not worried about size issues with k mount flange, just the benefit of mirrorless using lenses to their full potential without all that micro adjustment garbage............ Nice try and a capable back up for what I need. | | | | | Veteran Member Registered: July, 2009 Posts: 342 3 users found this helpful | Review Date: December 9, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $315.00
| Rating: 10 |
Pros: | Sensor performance, build, fun | Cons: | not much | Ergonomics: 7
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 9
Features: 8
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 10
New or Used: New
| | I'm a little sad that the K-01 was discontinued -- but then again I probably wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't for the crazy discounts that were the result of its "discontinuation". For just over $300 you get a stylish mirrorless with the sensor from a K5 and support for all K-mount lenses. I've been using mine in place of my K20D. Although I miss the viewfinder, ergonomics, and more extensive controls of the K20D, I always choose the K-01 because of the sensor. Pentax really hit a home run with this sensor -- it has amazing noise performance, amazing dynamic range, and superb color reproduction. I adore the images I get out of this thing.
First off, the build and ergonomics. Build quality is fantastic. The aluminum parts have that classic cold metal feel, and the mode/control dials are snappy and responsive. Ergonomics are a little bit worse. I didn't have a problem with the squared edges or seemingly far button placement (I have big hands) but what annoyed me a bit is how "thin" the rear controls were. The buttons on the back feel a little cheap -- light and clicky. Sometimes I press them on accident because theyre too easy to press while holding the camera. Button placement itself is good, everything was reachable and easy to get used to. On-screen info is accessible and easy to discern. Overall, only a few minor complaints. I didn't care much about the flappy SD card door
Noise performance is outstanding compared to my K20D. To get the same amount of noise that I get with ISO800 on my K20D, I would have to push the K-01 to ISO 6400. And noise at ISO100 on the K-01 is much less present than on the K20D at ISO100. The images are sharper too.
The video mode is alright. I was excited to use it since it supports 1080p 24fps videos. However I found that it doesn't reproduce fine detail very well -- it looks pretty compressed, even at the highest bitrate. Things like leaves in distant trees turn into green blobs. It's decent and I use it for shallow depth of field -- but for scenes where I do not need my "special" lenses (wide angle or large aperture) I continue using my Canon HF S11 camcorder -- it resolves a LOT more detail at 1080p.
I won't say much about autofocus since it's contrast AF and I don't shoot anything that requires fast focus. I worked for me 99% of the time.
For $300, it's an amazing value. I will say I am planning on getting either the K-3 next year or the new flagship (if there is one) to upgrade both this camera and my K20D. I bought this as a sort of "stepping stone" to my next DSLR. I have absolutely no regrets. The images I get out of this thing are fantastic and it's extremely fun to shoot with. Granted, you don't want to mount a giant lens on it because A) It's uncomfortable and B) It looks weird. It'll also ruin the whole "zen" of the mirrorless camera and probably intimidate your subjects. I've been shooting this with my primes exclusively. I find people react much more naturally to this camera compared to my K20D.
Overall, it deserves a 10 because for $300 I can not think of a single camera that could possibly outperform it. | | | | Pentaxian Registered: January, 2011 Location: Skĺne, Sweden Posts: 482 6 users found this helpful | Review Date: December 4, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $400.00
| Rating: 9 |
Pros: | Build and image quality, good for manual glass, compact for a K-mount | Cons: | Screen in bright daylight | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 8
Features: 8
Value: 9
Image Quality: 9
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
| | Wow, just realized I haven't posted a review of my K-01. I have used it for almost a year now.
I bought the K-01 with the kit lens after the discount had set in. I didn't really want the 18-55 but it was at pretty much no extra expense, always good for reselling (though I won't be doing that!).
I wanted a backup for my K-5 and the K-01 at its lowered price fit the bill nicely. It also shares the same battery so it was a backup for chargers and batteries too. If your are going to shoot weddings you want backup for everything! I quickly fell in love with the K-01. Sure, it is pretty big for a mirrorless, but it is still compact compared to a DSLR. The image quality is very high and it makes for a good second body to the K-5 as the files can be edited in the same way. If I shoot at events I put a wide lens on the K-01 (like the DA15) and a short tele on the K-5 (like the FA77). The ergonomics are much better than expected, but it will not play well with larger lenses. I use mostly DA/FA Limiteds and M42 Takumars and they all work fine. Anything bigger than a kit-lens would be too large IMHO. The looks was not my very favorite in the early pictures, but after using it and experience the build quality I like it! My "not-so-into-photography" friends always notices the K-01 and it looks pretty cool if you are open minded and don't necessarily need a camera to look like a modern DSLR or a classic Spotmatic. The K-01 can be used for studio work as well This was not such a very good idea, but it looked nice!
I think most things has been said about the K-01 in other reviews, so I will just highlight a few of my main positives and negatives.
Positives- Build quality
- Image quality
- Focus peaking and handling with manual lenses (i shoot with M42 Takumars)
- Design (subjective, but looks like no other - more futuristic/stylish, all other seems to be going for serious or retro)
Negatives- Screen hard to see in bright sunlight
- May hunt with some AF lenses
A lot of reviews have complained about stuff like that the SD-card door is flimsy, but it is in no way as bad as I thought it would be. No problems at all. No viewfinder can be a issue in bright sunlight or if you want to operate the camera in say an concert without disturbing. I was aware of these things before I bought it so I can't put these as negatives. The screen could have been better in sunlight though. In a darker environment it is very sharp and clear. Can be used for studio portraits Macro fun with old takumars Small enough to carry around on hikes | | | | Senior Member Registered: November, 2012 Posts: 295 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: November 7, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $200.00
| Rating: 9 |
Pros: | Smaller than DSLR, Screen, Excellent Image Quality, High ISO, Price, Looks, Firmware Updates, Focus Peaking, battery Life | Cons: | Power Issue, Warranty Length, Fix Time, RAW Shoot Speed, no RAW-> JPEG customization 4 button,no Raw->JPG conversion in camera, 25 min video length(15min for 1080) | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 9
Features: 9
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 10
New or Used: New
| | I love this camera. For the price, it's been UNBELIEVABLE and the jump in camera evolution is much like the Celeron 300a was in computer technology for price/performance. $450 total price w/ 40mm XS, waterproof camera, SD Card, case in a Adorama package deal. Due to faulty chip, there is a battery issue where the camera dies completely during shooting w/o recovery using original Pentax batteries charged(3rd party batts work great, have 2). Starting to become a large issue now that it's been over 3 weeks since they received it for repair. For a part to take at least 2 weeks for them to get is painfully long and sounds like average service at best but luckily my Sony friend let me borrow his Nex 5(he's got an A99). I placed a $4 order for an M39 adapter on Ebay from Hong Kong to try some lenses I already had: M39 Flektogon based Mir1 Grand Prix 37mm/2.8 and Industar 69 28mm/2.8 pin-removal modded. May later get other EMount adapters as they are readily available for $x to $xx. Pentax made the best IQ at the time(2012 Nov) for the price (Sony coming close) using focus peaking. Lots of lenses so chances are with so many choices there's a lot of good ones you can find. I've used 30+ lenses over 10 months, esp manual Takumars because focus peaking and thin depth of field lenses work very well together on this camera. So far SMC Tak 35/3.5, ST 50/1.4 or 55/1.8, SMC 105/2.8, Helios 44-2 for $25-$60 are ones that I'd HIGHLY recommend. TIP: USE M42 adapter WITH INFINITY flange for $6 on ebay. Bend the flange at end down so it comes off easily and stays on the lenses for easy interchangeability. If you leave flange straight it will be a pain to switch lenses and most likely will need tool to unmount adapter and screw back on lens. With this mod, the lens can turn off with some force on its' own without button use which can be even easier to interchange. I use these modded M42 adapters with all my main M42 lenses and they are better than using K Mount manual lenses which, even with tape, don't always work for aperture adjustment.
Still waiting eagerly to use recently purchased(all during the 3 weeks in repair-need something to do while waiting) Tak 135/2.5, DA 12-24, DA35, DA40, Tamron 28-75 Macro, FA50 2.8 Macro. A fact/suggestion is focus is easy when depth of field is narrower so open aperture at widest to get focused faster. The screen is bright, colorful and clear and still going strong. 1080p/30fps video at the time was best you could get for $xxx(great w/ Russian M49 Helios 44-2 58mm/2) although the 15min 1080 limit meant I'd never record much event wise w/ it. The 25 min limit for non 1080 made recording a chore while watching the timer count down to stop recording. The Sony Nex 5 has a buffer for a few seconds to capture more during writes and starts recording a new clip automatically.
Audio leaks in from screw motor so external mic is needed or SDM/HSM motors in lenses, but this has the external jack whereas some newer models don't. Continuous Auto focus was also needed but is available in K3/K30/K5IIs/K5II/K50 although most not in video.
Snow/beach, sunset modes have been useful presets, otherwise I use AV, M or Tav modes. Auto WB is pretty good but manual wb is primary.
RAW 1fps speed continuouos is too limiting. They should've upped this in firmware to 2fps and I would've been happy. Otherwise another crippling unused feature to MAKE you get a big clunker DSLR(When is a mirrorless upgrade coming?!)
Easy for my bigger hands to hold but red button gets pressed by strap too often. Thumb placement needs to be specific or button gets pushed or grip is lost. Long periods of holding not fun w/ this solid heavy camera.
I actually have been complemented on the looks by ladies I'd keep this rather than sell it for $2xx just for the size, as a backup or smaller comes out or to give to someone with manual lenses and maybe DA 35 to learn photography with.
Cheap wide variety of lenses make this a shopping extravaganza for LBA(lens buying addicts).
| | | | Senior Member Registered: June, 2013 Posts: 165 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: October 29, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $420.00
| Rating: 8 |
Pros: | Everything. | Cons: | Needs another dial/wheel, not weather-sealed. | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 9
Features: 8
Value: 9
Image Quality: 9
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
| | It's kind of hard to judge this camera because mostly, it's excellent. My complaints are more "what I would have loved the K-01 to have too", and some are justified [necessary] and others would just be cool to have.
This camera rocks, it's comfortable, has a good weight to it, takes amazing photos AND video.. You know what? I'll list the cons, they are easier to list, as they are few.
First of all, that rubber cover is awful. Also, another wheel would have been nice, because changing ISO, aperture and shutterspeed is not as fast as with other cameras. And it would have been excellent if it featured weather sealing. This camera is so small and powerful, that the ability to take it everywhere is truncated by the lack of weather sealing.
Other than that, I'm very happy with this camera, and the only reason I'll be getting another camera later is because of the weather sealing. It won't be a replacement, but one that can go where my beloved K-01 can't.
| | | | Site Supporter Registered: April, 2009 Location: San Francisco Posts: 161 | Review Date: October 15, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $250.00
| Rating: 8 |
Pros: | Cheap! Small, light. GREAT images | Cons: | Noisy AF and metering | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 10
Autofocus: 9
Features: 10
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 3
New or Used: New
| | VERY noisy camera. Metering is very noisy. Focus is also noisy. Just overall noisy. Fine for my concerts but not so for weddings.
IQ is amazing. way better than my 200d.
grip is cool.
covers for ins and outs is annoying. Cheap made and makes me worry about quality of those.
not weather sealed kind of sucks.
easy menu to interact with. Super fast changing of settings. I find I dont need the wheels on the pros with this cam.
JUST last week the mode dial knob came unglued so I am not sure what to do about that yet. Going to search the forums.
Overall a great buy!
| | | | Junior Member Registered: August, 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 25 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: October 15, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $299.00
| Rating: 8 |
Pros: | inconspicuous , great image quality, accurate focus | Cons: | not intuitive , sloooow focus on some lenses | Ergonomics: 5
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 5
Autofocus: 6
Features: 7
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
| | Got the K01 during the end of line price blitz i use it more than my K20d , auto focus is very slow in low light , and when using long lenses , but stick on a Pentax DA 16-45 f4, or a small prime.. like the Pentax .DAL 35mm f2.4 or Pentax-F 28mm f2.8 and focus is as fast as my K20d and usually more accurate, Plus High Quality Video is a great bonus for moments when a Photo just isn't enough
I just love the image Quality
| | | | New Member Registered: March, 2013 Location: Sülysáp Posts: 17 | Review Date: October 15, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $300.00
| Rating: 9 |
Pros: | Good quality pics | Cons: | No vf | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 10
Autofocus: 10
Features: 9
Value: 9
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 9
New or Used: Used
| | I have been using the camera for half a year. I bought it from someone in the US, but I forgot to ask him why he sold the camera. Anyway: I wanted to have a DSLR, and I did not want to go with the crowd. So I excluded Nikon, Sony and Canon, and tried to find a decent camera from another manufacturer. Six months ago I did not even know that Pentax existed. But I dug up the net, and found very good reviews about their cameras. A K-01 seemed cheap but good quality, so I decided to get one.
I am not disappointed at all. This is my "serious" camera, so I don't have anything to compare to. The one thing everyone is complaining about is the lack of viewfinder. But I have not used a camera with a viewfinder earlier, so this is not an issue for me.
With the continually updated firmware the autofocus works great (it was a big problem, so if you read earlier reviews, skip those parts), all pictures are sharp, the sensor is fantastic.
I bought three lenses for my K-01, but they were all cheapos. This fact had its impact on the quality of my pictures, but I have bought a 16-45 f4 lens some days ago, and now everything seems to be on the right track. The camera with this Pentax lens is a very good performer. Until some weeks ago I used to refuse to take pictures with my camera for my friends, but now I can't wait for an occasion to use it. I like my K-01 a lot.
| | | | Forum Member Registered: January, 2013 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 95 1 user found this helpful | Review Date: October 15, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $329.00
| Rating: 9 |
Pros: | Able to use all the old Pentax lenses I inherited. | Cons: | No Viewfinder | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 10
User Interface: 8
Autofocus: 8
Features: 9
Value: 9
Image Quality: 9
Noise: 8
New or Used: New
| | Semi-pro Photographer
I have been shooting photos for over 30 years. Mostly Minolta in the film years. A lot of Fuji digital cameras followed. I had inherited a lot of old Pentax lenses about a year ago from a family member and was looking to go full DSLR about the same time. When the K-01 was on sale at Adorama during the big price drop, I could not resist taking the plunge. Back in 2005 I had lost all my possessions in Hurricane Katrina, so I had kind of lost my passion for photography for a few years. Then I received my K-01 from Adorama, It has put me back in the game. I mostly do nature and landscape photography, and architectural photos of old buildings. all the old glass and a few new lenses are a joy to shoot with on the K-01. Also I am one of the few that actually likes the Marc Newson Design. I always get stopped and have to give a mini tour of my K-01. I like that it is different.
| | | | New Member Registered: December, 2011 Posts: 1 | Review Date: October 15, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $450.00
| Rating: 10 |
Pros: | Light, sturdy, compact and reliable | Cons: | none, it is what it is.. | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 8
User Interface: 9
Autofocus: 8
Features: 9
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 9
New or Used: New
| | when the k-01 was introduced I never left my eyes on it, it was an itch that cannot be scratched till you have it.. this camera has all I wanted, I got this primarily for videos and it served me well... | | | | New Member Registered: August, 2012 Posts: 12 | Review Date: October 14, 2013 | Recommended | Price: None indicated
| Rating: 7 |
Pros: | video capabilities | Cons: | low bit rate for video,no headphone jack,no hdmi for live external viewfinder,focus peaking during recording,manual audio control during shooting | Ergonomics: 10
Build Quality: 8
User Interface: 10
Autofocus: 5
Features: 10
Value: 10
Image Quality: 10
Noise: 10
New or Used: New
| | i mainly use this for video..so i'll asses it for video...
used it side by side with a canon 60d which definitely won by details due to higher bit rate.
but still k-01 shots are still acceptable knowing that our editor doesn't even notice which is which when it comes to the final edited video on the broadcast level.
the cons are as i have stated above.. pentax knows what to do with it.i think i just have to wait.. but surely.this is bang for buck!
and by the way.. the blocky video artifacts are resolved by updating your firmware to 1.04! for me there is more details to its video comparing to fw 1.03..
| | | | New Member Registered: July, 2011 Posts: 16 | Review Date: October 14, 2013 | Recommended | Price: $320.00
| Rating: 7 |
Pros: | Cute design, high iso | Cons: | Focus hunting | Ergonomics: 8
Build Quality: 9
User Interface: 8
Autofocus: 7
Features: 8
Value: 9
Image Quality: 9
Noise: 8
New or Used: New
| | The mark newson designed body looks very cute especially with its special 40mm xs lens. The wide iso range is also great, so in theory you could get good shots in low light. Unfortunately the reality is that the CDAF only autofocus system hunts quite a bit esp in low light, so it takes longer to get the shot off than with my old k200d or with my Sony hx20v. In good light it's a nice compact body, uses all the old Pentax glass, and can get off a large burstk of shots at high iso. The focus hunting lag though to the first shot makes it hard for me to recommend for action shots unless you prefocus and use manual, and for low light prepare to wait a while or have to manual focus
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