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05-09-2010, 02:18 PM   #1
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DA 35mm Bokeh

Hello,

I am thinking of purchasing the DA 35 (the 31 Ltd is out of my price range, I value the macro ability enough to not be interested in the FA 35, and I find the DA 40 too long).

I only have one concern remaining:

How is the quality of bokeh on the DA 35?

Klaus at Photozone (and some others) have commented that it can look "busy," while others love the bokeh or do not mention it as a problem.

Assuming the bokeh can be "busy," does it bother you on a regular basis?

I will be using the lens as an "all purpose" for travel/everyday shooting.

So I guess my primary concern is if the bokeh is busy for portraits or other non-macro applications where "context" is provided in the shot.



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05-09-2010, 03:38 PM   #2
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Sorry - just found this thread:

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/83507-harsh-bokeh-da35mm-ltd.html

I need to add the "mm" to the focal length when searching I guess...
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A recent example of the bokeh of my DA35 can be found here: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/post-your-photos/100033-macro-spring-flower.html
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I'd say it's better than just alright, but it depends on what you want to use it for. For flowers, yeah, you can usually wait for the wind to die down to get close. For bugs, I prefer the D-FA 100mm Macro. Disclaimer: I rarely shoot "true" macro and prefer to not focus as close as possible for framing purposes.

Uncropped, shot with K200D and DA 35:

Closing Up for the Night on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Uncropped, shot with IR-converted K100D and DA 35:

Dandelion in Infrared on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Uncropped, shot with K200D and DA 35:

?Deep in their roots, all flowers keep the light.? on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

And for a different kind of bokeh...
Uncropped, shot with K200D and DA 35:

Remix: Fallen Star on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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Fries - Thank you for the example - wonderful image...

The bokeh for macro situations looks stunning.

However, I was concerned about the bokeh in other situations such as portraiture/everyday shooting. It seems its a bit of a mixed bag in those situations.

I guess my specific question is whether the "busy" bokeh happens frequently enough in everyday shooting (ie non-macro) situations to be frustrating. 1 in 100 shots I don't care at all. But 1 in 10 shots would be frustrating to me for use as an everyday lens.

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K. McCall - thank you for the images.

"I rarely shoot "true" macro and prefer to not focus as close as possible for framing purposes."

Yes, this is the type of photography I was trying to articulate. The leaf shot is more along the lines of what I was thinking of as far as "non-macro" bokeh.

By the way, K. McCall, I am a big fan of your blog - you are one of my all-time favorite photographers...

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Oh! I didn't realize that's specifically what you were looking for. I actually have WAY more non-macro shots with the DA 35 than "macro," because if I only bring one lens somewhere, I almost always pick this one, so yeah, here you go

35mm is actually pretty wide, so once you back up even a step or two, you really tend to lose that bokeh effect unless the background is really close to the subject, so I had to look hard to find any that had any kind of OOF areas in them, even though I tend to shoot wide-open. My apologies for all the self-portraits, but as I said, most of my wider shots lack bokeh.

Slightly cropped from the short side, shot with K200D and DA 35:

Day 267: Self-Portrait on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Uncropped, shot with the K200D and the DA 35:

Day 153: Self-Portrait on Flickr - Photo Sharing!


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Thanks again, Keitha!

Yes, I was hoping to bring only one lens on certain occasions...

The images look great and the phone shot really gives me a good idea of what the bokeh will look like.

It is interesting that even at f2.8 you sometimes lose the OOF areas at 35mm. The DA 40 seems to retain the OOF, but is often too long and the minimum focusing distance too far for my ideal one lens adventures.

I don't know - that might have just sold me on the DA 35...

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Keitha: Very nice shots, as usual. Lovely Portraits.
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K206: I have the DA 35. I love it. It is a wonderful lens. Here is one of my son from today.
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I think the bokeh is just right. I know others have described the bokeh as "busy at times" But I just don't see it in my shots. I use it most for everyday shooting, very little macro. I do love the small MFD, though, which makes this lens so special.
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Here are a few others that are close focus but not macro shots.
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MSM: very nice shots.

The one of your son has very nice color and contrast and gives me a further idea of the bokeh.

Do you recall the aperture you used on the shot of your son and the one with the "danger" sign?
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QuoteOriginally posted by K McCall Quote

Uncropped, shot with IR-converted K100D and DA 35:

Dandelion in Infrared on Flickr - Photo Sharing!
Fantastic job Keitha!

I also in love with the DA35.

Bokeh can be harsch sometimes.



But nothing to worry about.



A real fantastic travel lens. Sharp as hell from 2.8.



But also can be dreamy.



Go for it!

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05-09-2010, 10:45 PM   #15
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Nice shots, especially Keitha!

Couple more bokeh examples - I think it does fine for a 35mm FL.










...And here's an incredibly busy background (and foreground, apparently!


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