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06-11-2010, 06:29 AM   #1
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Holy Graal of LBA

Hello all,

I have decided change my lineup to: DA 12-24+ the FA Limited trio+Tamron 90mm (ok, and a Sigma 70-300 consumer tele zoom )

My question would be: in the realms of UWA/WA, would it be a wise move to sell the DA 12-24 and get the DA 15mm?

Anyone has made this shift and could share some pros and cons?

To clarify my motivations: i aquired the FA trio becuse I believe that this would be the ultimate goal of the Holy LBA quest and also because I have a MZ-6 film body (the latter much less important vs the first reason

I have read a lot of reviews about the FA's and I know they are not perfect and have limitations and cons , but oftenly they spread some of that pixie dust on one's images making good over any previous imperfections

Thanks!

06-11-2010, 06:40 AM   #2
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you will miss the extra width of the 12mm, and if it is anything like my sigma 10-20 it will cover full frame zoomed in a little, my sigma covers FF at 13mm for example
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I would stick with the 12-24. It is such a relatively short focal range, and you may miss the extra 3mm on the wide end. It is also a tremendous lens.
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I have both 12-24 (the Samsung clone) and 15mm Limited. At first I only had the 12-24. It was the second lens I bought after I got my first Pentax body, *istDS. I was quite satisfied with the lens quality, no complains. 12mm was as wide as I wanted and it really helped that I can always zoom to 24mm when appropriate. So, while I love primes, the 12-24 replaced 2 primes for me.

But after I got infected by the Limited bug, started with 77mm and 43mm followed soon, I became addicted to small primes. I started to bring my camera more often because I need less space and less weight. I decided to bring only 3 lenses at a time, 1 wide, 1 normal (43 Ltd) and 1 (short)tele (77 most of the time, sometimes 100 macro or when really needed i forgo smallness and go with 80-200)

And there's the problem with 12-24, it's too big compared to the others lenses in my lineup. Every time I brought my camera I always had to think hard, whether to bring the big 12-24 or replace it with something smaller, M 28 3.5 or Kiron 28 f2. But of course, sometimes I ended up needing wider than 28 while I didnt have 12-24 with me

So in the end, I eventually bought DA 15mm Limited (got a nice deal) and now most of the time I bring 15, 43, and 77 and happy I still have my 12-24 tho and still cant let it go, thinking that there should be times where I would need the 12mm. But so far when I'm with DA 15 I never felt missing my 12-24 and I also never felt bother about the wide gap I have between 12mm and 43mm, it's just fit my style right now, all the way wide or go focus on something with thin DOF with 43mm or longer. Granted sometimes I crop pictures taken with 15mm.

Okay, back to your question, I guess I'm not really helping But, maybe if you have same requirement like I do (i.e. want small primes lineup) then I recommend DA 15mm to you. In my experience I don't need the extra 3mm most of the time, if not always. YMMV of course.

Second thing that you need to consider, if you switch 12-24 to 15 then you might need another lens around 24mm. Unless you're like me and don't care about 24mm. That's all I can say and goodluck!

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Second thing that you need to consider, if you switch 12-24 to 15 then you might need another lens around 24mm. Unless you're like me and don't care about 24mm. That's all I can say and goodluck!
Lol yes, a 15mm and a 21mm and I am set )
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Well, 3mm is a big loss at wide end. Portability is another thing but...
your call

My opinion on holy grail of K mount line up? Slightly modified yours:
Sigma 10-20 (though the new 8-16 is heavy contender here), FA*24 - FA31ltd - FA43ltd - DA*55 - FA77ltd.
When I'll have those, I'll be happy
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Agreed - 12mm vs 15mm is a considerable difference in field of view. There have been many instances that I've found shooting at 12mm was absolutely needed and any wider it would not have worked out. The 12-24 has prime quality optics, and whilst being a little clunky in size, it's simply unrivaled.

It's down to your own preferences - is 15mm wide enough for you? Then just do it. I won't be giving up my 12-24 for a single prime, unless perhaps there were both 12mm and 20mm primes available.
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OK, thanks all, I will keep the 12-24mm.

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QuoteOriginally posted by kytra Quote
Hello all,

I have decided change my lineup to: DA 12-24+ the FA Limited trio+Tamron 90mm (ok, and a Sigma 70-300 consumer tele zoom )

My question would be: in the realms of UWA/WA, would it be a wise move to sell the DA 12-24 and get the DA 15mm?

Anyone has made this shift and could share some pros and cons?

To clarify my motivations: i aquired the FA trio becuse I believe that this would be the ultimate goal of the Holy LBA quest and also because I have a MZ-6 film body (the latter much less important vs the first reason

I have read a lot of reviews about the FA's and I know they are not perfect and have limitations and cons , but oftenly they spread some of that pixie dust on one's images making good over any previous imperfections

Thanks!
No offense, but did you ask if it would be a good idea to sell your 12-24 for a 15 mm Ltd?

The Pentax 12-24 is probably one of the best lenses in the whole Pentax arsenal. You couldn't get me to change it for any other lens. The 15mm Ltd is an overpriced, under specified lens with a sweet skin. The 12-24 outperforms the 15 at all apertures and gives you 12mm-14mm-18mm-21mm-24mm prime lens quality.
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QuoteOriginally posted by benjikan Quote
No offense, but did you ask if it would be a good idea to sell your 12-24 for a 15 mm Ltd?

The Pentax 12-24 is probably one of the best lenses in the whole Pentax arsenal. You couldn't get me to change it for any other lens. The 15mm Ltd is an overpriced, under specified lens with a sweet skin. The 12-24 outperforms the 15 at all apertures and gives you 12mm-14mm-18mm-21mm-24mm prime lens quality.
No offense, but why do you feel the need to do the equivalent of shouting?
To the OP, though I don't have the local cred of Ben, I have been a working pro for more years than he's been alive, more than likely.
The 12-24 is a very nice optic, but what you pay to get that is an oversized and somewhat underbuilt horse of a lens that is quite clumsy in operation.

I have noticed that in some situations it is perhaps a little better than the 15, in others it isn't.
I have both the 12-24 and the 15, and I much prefer the 15, and tend to only use the 12-24 when I absolutely need the wider angle of view.
YMMV
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Thanks for your opinions!

Like stated, I will keep the 12-24, i like it also, the question was if the 15mm prime could be a better option regarding image quality with the downside of fixed focal lenght. Since it appears that there is no significant difference in IQ, my dilemma is solved.

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