Originally posted by Lowell Goudge your logic is perfectly flawless if you are a pentax salesman, or you only think that 14-15,mm is all that is needed, but badly flawed otherwise.
Of the eight statements I made you attempted to show me wrong on one of them. Apparently this was enough for my entire post to be "badly flawed". Why such hyperbole? Maybe you're the salesman?
My post attempted to address the needs of various wide angle shooters, without bias. Nowhere did I say that 14-15mm is all
any photographer needs. But it could indeed be all
a given photographer needs. I am not sure why that is so hard to understand. Unless you simply don't get that other people might have different priorities from yourself?
As to my single potentially incorrect statement...
Originally posted by Lowell Goudge the sigma 10-20mm f4-5.6 has about the same level of barrel distortion as the pentax 12-24mm
The Pentax is basically free of distortion at 24mm (-.148% according to photozone.de) and has little at 18mm (-.578%). At 12mm it is at its worst, -2.11%. These results certainly conform to my experience of the lens: wide open it has noticeable distortion that might be annoying in certain cases.
However, the Sigma 10-20mm has never less than .776% distortion, about
six times the Pentax minimum. It never even comes close to the Pentax IQ by this measure. And it too has significant issues at the wide end, in a rather unusual fashion: the middle of the field is a noticeable -1.4% but the corners go up to 3%.
Originally posted by Lowell Goudge Additionally, what little distortion there is in the sigma can easily be taken care of in post processing
No, sorry, the unusual nature of the Sigma distortion characteristics wide-open makes it difficult to correct. Even the distortion at 12mm in the DA12-24 lens is difficult to remove entirely.
Originally posted by Lowell Goudge In fact de-fished the pentax 10-17 only covers about 12mm so it gets you nothing, it is a fisheye, and leave it at that.
I had in mind the Samyang 8/3.5, which I am sure covers far more than any of the other lenses we are discussing. It uses a stereographic projection and so has far less distortion that the Pentax fisheye. Perhaps it it you, not me, who needs to think beyond the Pentax and Sigma options.
Originally posted by Lowell Goudge If there is a need for 10mm, the options are very limited and the sigma lens is very very good.
If it was a clean and usable 10mm I would be more inclined to agree. But otherwise saying it is "very very good" is exaggeration, pure and simple. I would reserve that sort of praise for a lens with better build and IQ than the Sigma. (And no, I don't think the DA build is perfect either.) Apparently the fact that the Sigma has 10mm trumps all other concerns for you. I anticipated this point of view in my second-last point in that same "badly flawed" post... so "badly flawed" it incorporates your own viewpoint.
However, none of your statements on the other matters covered here hold any water.