Originally posted by edice Thanks for the replies, this is really helping me.
Side note:
I was just comparing my P&S Panasonic Lumix DMC FX38 (4-22mm, f/2.8-5.9) and noticed that its as wide as my kit lens at 18mm, but can zoom in about twice as far. How does that work? Can the lens length only be compared with cameras of the same sensor size?
That's right... the only way that Panasonic can enjoy a long focal zoom range like that is its tiny sensor. And I'm sure that camera will take fine images in good light. It's in low light and at high ISOs that the small sensor reveals its limitations.
Originally posted by edice Back on topic,
I'm thinking about the photos that I'd love to take and can't, and I'd have to say those are low light, and/or wide-angle such as family gatherings and landscapes. My previous "wife in front of nice church/mountain/city" photos are often just of a tiny part of the city - the finished photo doesn't give you a sense of scale.
is the extra 1 mm going to make 17mm much wider than 18mm? It doesn't sound like much!
While an extra few mm (or even 50mm) on the long end isn't as noticeable as you might think, it's quite a different situation at the wide end. 1mm may be pushing it... but 2, 3 or 4mm is quite noticeable.
Originally posted by edice So, I like the idea of the Tamron 17-50 f/2.8, I agree that it would service most of my needs, and I don't see any other lens that give that sort of range and speed, especially at the wide end of the scale.
The Tammy has a good reputation and you're right, it's an excellent mix of price, quality and speed. Some other lenses you might consider:
Pentax DA 16-45mm f/4- This has just gone out of production but can still be found around for under $300 on closeout and in the $200-$250 range used. Not as fast as the Tammy of course. Excellent color and contrast. Very sharp at the wide end... just a touch soft at 45mm.
Pentax DA 17-70mm f/4 - again, not as fast as the Tammy but it does offer an extra 20mm at the long end over the Tammy and an extra 15mm over the kit lens. Includes SDM. Available for under $500.
Sigma 17-70mm f/2.8-4 DC Macro OS HSM - Same zoom range as the Pentax 17-70 and can also be found well under $500. As fast as the Tammy at the wide end and no slower than the Pentax at the long end. Also offers HSM which is considered somewhat more reliable than Pentax's SDM. At least up to now.
Pentax DA 18-250 or Tamron 18-250 (or newer 18-270) - I own the Pentax version and it's a surprisingly good lens. There are some compromises visible at the extreme ends but from 28-200mm, it's a peach. Of course, there's no advantage at the wide end over the kit lens. I would only recommend this if you want a one-lens solution for travelling.
Pentax DA 12-24 f/4 zoom - You mentioned this yourself. This is an excellent ultra wide-angle zoom. But it is big and heavy. Big enough to leave a shadow in images if you use the camera's built-in flash in indoor shots. If you have an external flash unit (either hotshoe mounted or off-camera), you'll be fine. Around $700.
Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM - An excellent second choice if you can't swing the Pentax 12-24. This lens has lots of fans and seems to be the third-party ultra wide-angle zoom of choice among Pentaxians. Can be had for under $500. Don't confuse this with the more-expensive Sigma 10-20mm zoom with the constant f/3.5 aperture and HSM (which is fine and faster but a lot more money).
Tamron 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 SP Di II LD - This lens doesn't have quite as good a reputation as the Sigma 10-20mm but it's not junk and I've still seen a lot of nice images taken with it. It's also a bit faster than the Sigma and its zoom range is a bit longer, meaning you might not have to change lenses as often. Also can be had for under $500. If you can find it for substantially less than the Sigma, it could be a good deal and nice to pare with the Tammy 17-50.
Pentax DA 15mm f/4 Limited - An excellent wide-angle prime that you won't be sorry you own. Can now be found just under $500. This would also be the most compact option to pare with your kit lens.
Notice that many of these lenses would complement the Tamron 17-50. They would even complement the kit lens.
Hope this helps.