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07-15-2010, 04:39 PM   #16
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Er, you forgot Zeiss?

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QuoteOriginally posted by rparmar Quote
Er, you forgot Zeiss?
Lately, Zeiss = Cosina/Voigtlander, so it's kinda covered. :P
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
Lately, Zeiss = Cosina/Voigtlander, so it's kinda covered. :P

A common misconception. I can assure you that Zeiss build quality is still considerably better than Voigtlander. I know they're built in the same place, but trust me, they're not built the same way. Not that Voigtlander is bad, quite the opposite, but Zeiss takes it to a whole other level.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DogLover Quote
A common misconception. I can assure you that Zeiss build quality is still considerably better than Voigtlander. I know they're built in the same place, but trust me, they're not built the same way. Not that Voigtlander is bad, quite the opposite, but Zeiss takes it to a whole other level.
All I meant is that they're made by the same manufacturer.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
All I meant is that they're made by the same manufacturer.

No sweat, just wanted to clarify.
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QuoteOriginally posted by deadwolfbones Quote
Lately, Zeiss = Cosina/Voigtlander, so it's kinda covered. :P
Not so lately there are C-Y Zeiss (converted) and CZ Jena. All say Zeiss, but three different makers on two continents. There are also Pentax by Tamron, Pentax by Tokina, Vivitar by Samyang, etc., etc., etc...

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Yep. What all this points to is that it is important to distinguish the brand from the manufacturer. There are lots of lenses under the Vivitar brand, but some of them made by Kiron and Komine are actually rather good.

I am interested in hearing how the Cosina Zeiss are distinctly better than the Cosina Voigtlander. They seem to me to be over-priced and under-featured, especially when we have Limiteds around.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikemike Quote
With nothing else to go on other than just brand name, what order would you rank lens manufacturers who make pentax mount lenses? I grabbed this list from the review database and have ordered it alphabetically to start with.

Cosina
Pentax
Quantaray
Ricoh
Sigma
Tamron
Tonika
Vivitar
Voigtlander
Zenitar
Here's a few more:
Schacht
Enna
ISCO
Pentacon
Steinheil
Schneider/Edixa
Piesker
Tomioka
Soligor (aka Miranda)
Sun
Asanuma
Accura
Chinon(K & m42)
Komura
Yashica
Mamiya

You didn't say which Pentax mount.
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I can't play either, all mine are Pentax, my other experience is with both with Canon and Nikon from days gone by, but they don't seem to be listed options.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
Here's a few more:
Schacht
Enna
ISCO
Pentacon
Steinheil
Schneider/Edixa
Piesker
Tomioka
Soligor (aka Miranda)
Sun
Asanuma
Accura
Chinon(K & m42)
Komura
Yashica
Mamiya

You didn't say which Pentax mount.
And...

Pallas
Chinar
TOU/Five Star
Meyer Görlitz
Toyo
Kiron
Chinonflex
Samigon
Promaster
Kitstar
ATAN
Rexatar
Spiratone
Image Brand
Lentar
Albinar
Sun
Makinon
Sears
JC Penny
Prakticar
Promura
Eyemic
Derek Gardner
Phoenix
Hanimex
Agfa
Bell & Howell
Revuenon
Angenieux
Kamero
Magnum
Beroflex
Rokinon
ProSpec
Cosmicar
Weistar
Seikanon
Makinon
Panagor
Bushnell
Varexon
Prinz
Focal
Magnicon
Access*
Kobori
Presenta
Exacta
Sankor
Carenar
Porst
Kominar
Topcor
Ozeck
Gemini
Kaligar
CPC Phase 2
Alpa
ProOptic
Peerotar (Pee-ro-tar...unfortunate name...)
Fujita
Formula 5
Kilfitt
Cooke
Centon
Rodenstock
Dallmeyer
Beck
Kobanar
Magnon
Lenmar
Osawa
Sakir
Ensinor
Sakar
Paragon
And...

LZOS
Belomo/MMZ
KMZ
(Above three are makers of the various Russian lenses in M42 and K-mount)

Steve

(Nagging feeling that I missed one somewhere...)

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"I feel very slighted...my favorite no-name is not on the list. Why no love for Acme?"

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Wiley Coyote, you should know that if it was there it would be at the bottom of the list, i.e. worst, not best or highest quality as the name implies, only because none of us have seen an Acme product work. beep - beep
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Bored, so I concatenated the lists and bolded the ones I've owned, at least what I can remember.


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Cosina
Pentax
Quantaray
Ricoh
Sigma
Tamron
Tokina
Vivitar
Voigtlander
Zenitar
Zeiss
CZ Jena
Helios
Schacht
Enna
ISCO
Pentacon
Steinheil
Schneider/Edixa
Piesker
Tomioka
Soligor (aka Miranda)
Sun
Asanuma
Accura
Chinon(K & m42)
Komura
Yashica
Mamiya
Pallas
Chinar
TOU/Five Star
Meyer Görlitz
Toyo
Kiron
Chinonflex
Samigon
Promaster
Kitstar
ATAN
Rexatar
Spiratone
Image Brand
Lentar
Albinar
Sun
Makinon
Sears
JC Penny
Prakticar
Promura
Eyemic
Derek Gardner
Phoenix
Hanimex
Agfa
Bell & Howell
Revuenon
Angenieux
Kamero
Magnum
Beroflex
Rokinon
ProSpec
Cosmicar
Weistar
Seikanon
Makinon
Panagor
Bushnell
Varexon
Prinz
Focal
Magnicon
Access*
Kobori
Presenta
Exacta
Sankor
Carenar
Porst
Kominar
Topcor
Ozeck
Gemini
Kaligar
CPC Phase 2
Alpa
ProOptic
Peerotar (Pee-ro-tar...unfortunate name...)
Fujita
Formula 5
Kilfitt
Cooke
Centon
Rodenstock
Dallmeyer
Beck
Kobanar
Magnon
Lenmar
Osawa
Sakir
Ensinor
Sakar
Paragon
LZOS
Belomo/MMZ
KMZ
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QuoteOriginally posted by rparmar Quote
Yep. What all this points to is that it is important to distinguish the brand from the manufacturer. There are lots of lenses under the Vivitar brand, but some of them made by Kiron and Komine are actually rather good.

I am interested in hearing how the Cosina Zeiss are distinctly better than the Cosina Voigtlander. They seem to me to be over-priced and under-featured, especially when we have Limiteds around.

Wow, why don't you say something nasty about my Mom? I would almost rather you do that than bad-mouth a lens that I am completely in love with.

I won't argue that Zeiss is over-priced. You pay a premium to get the best of pretty much anything. And I guess I've never thought of them as under-featured because you're not buying features, you're buying quality. Think of Zeiss the same way that people thought of Mercedes-Benz back during the 60's and 70's. Not gee-whiz technology, just rock-solid build quality.

As far as the difference with Voigtlander, I will only say that at one time that's what I set out to get. After all, they are much cheaper. In my pre-purchase research, however, I came across story after story of Voigts that arrived with elements loose in the barrel, copious amounts of dust in the lens, and just general disappointment in the performance. These were all new lenses. I found no such stories about Zeiss. So I took the plunge. And its been love ever since.

I actually already had the DFA100WR when I got the Zeiss and honestly, it could give it a run for its money as far as IQ. Not quite as good, but too close to justify the price difference. Then I went for an afternoon of shooting at a local botanic garden. I took 4 lenses with me, including both of these guys. I made myself use all 4 of the lenses, but the only one I found myself wanting to use was the Zeiss. No other lens feels like such a precise photographic tool. I've had a limited and have used others and they're very nice and feel very well-built. But not like this. The optical properties of the lens are beyond reproach, but honestly, its more about the intangibles, at least for me. I can truly say that I have never enjoyed photography as much as I did that day, and it was blazing hot. Perhaps this mini-review of my particular Zeiss will shed some more light for you: diglloyd: Mini review of Zeiss 100mm f/2 Makro-Planar


I fully realize that not everyone will feel that Zeiss is worth the premium. It's just not their thing. But I have discovered that it is my thing. I just wish I could afford more of them.
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