Originally posted by danielausparis For my part, I appreciated the guessing game
even if my guess was far from correct (Albinar).
I appreciate also the rendering vs. physical/mathematical sharpness debate. Even if often lenses that are good at rendering, are also good at sharpness.
I would say that firstly there is the personal taste of the photographer. Some of us are captivated by the images produced by these "baby" lenses. They remind of very old cameras with their charming results. Images are totally mushy, but just do post-process in sepia tone, and you get a nice "retro" styled picture! However, I can get a similar result starting from a tack sharp picture given by a modern lens, just by adequate post-processing... Similarly, there is this fashion of cheap (a few dollars) chinese plastic film toy cameras. One year ago the german magazine "Der Spiegel" published a series of "artworks" done with these toys that were appreciated for their rendering reminding me old Kodak "Instamatic" results.
Second, there is a matter of trade: if I accept some lens flaws or drawbacks, do I get otherwise pictures that I appreciate nonetheless? Everybody does such compromises. For instance, my Jupiter 21 is stupidly heavy to carry, however I get sharper pictures with it than with any other 200mm lens I tried. Or, my M 2/85mm is allergic to direct sunlight -- just carefully avoid it, and you get ultra-superb-amazing rendering. I suppose that this 28mm lens did satisfy you in some way (that you carefully hid in the picture set).
As for your 50 years old Angénieux, I would love to see its performance with 'nice' pictures!
BTW, Angénieux got its legendary reputation rather with zooms than with fixed focal lenses, for which it had too much german competition. And for the curious, there is just one of those 28mm
on the bay to look at.
The guessing part REALLY is NOT important. I'm glad at least a few of you took it humorously and tossed me a bone. I appreciate that.
I don't think it's just the "mushyness". Any Chinese made plastic lens will get you "mushy" photos. I think Angenieux made its name with its retrofocus/zoom lenses and it's its rendering that has kept it on the upper echelon of MF lenses to this day.
People here can not get past the tangible part of a lens... if it's not sharp and flare resistant, then they don't want any part of it. But toss out a big name and they will overlook that. Of course, I'm every bit as guilty. Sometimes, I'm worried that I'm seeing something that that's not even there, like the supposed magical rendering.
Here are some of my better shots with this lens:
Angenieux Retrofocus - a set on Flickr
It's not an easy lens to use by any means. I tried shooting car photography with it and it has been an epic fail in that department. It seems much more suited to organic, atmospheric, portraits... I've got much better photos with the DA12-24, K35 3.5, A35-105, SMC TAK 50 1.4, well just about every lens. I think it's because those lenses were so easy to pick up on, you get it sharp, compose it well and that's it. You can really do some amazing things with the Angenieux with intentional soft focusing. You can't pull that off with other lenses.
On the other hand, I'm fairly certain I could have got the same shots with your Super Albinar now that I really think about it...
Originally posted by PentaxMom Felua I have no wish to bash or be bashed.
I liked the chair photo.
As I like the idea of the other discussion: what defines a perfect lens.
To me rendering is at least an equally important characteristic of a lens. Sharpness alone is not enough to make a lens a tool I want. My best ones are those that are in symbioses with me, because they can visulaize my perception. To help me do that they offer me outstanding flare, unsurpassable correct softness, enchanting dof, ravishing color. All without pp. Of course that is a great tool too.
But I am no expert.
Often I wonder, what are the parameters of the critique. General concensus, or a truly individual input.
A great lens to me with touchable qualities is smc tak.50/1.4.
Transcending this are some stupid meyers like the 180mm telemegor.
But my parameters of critigue are somewhat different.
Aw, that's sweet of you to like my chair photo.
I guess what I'm trying to get at partly is, just how much do we emphasize sharpness, saturation, contrast, pf/ca/flare resistance? Are we becoming blind to the art in photography?
I mean this lens pretty much fails at all of the most important characteristics of lenses, yet is considered by many experts to be one of the greatest lenses ever made. There's clearly a disconnection there.