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08-04-2010, 11:03 AM   #1
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Lenses: Pride and Prejudice or . . .

. . . makin' a silk purse from a sows ear. ((Or was it 'gelding a hog with a sharp lens' ?))

Lenses introduced in the last 15 years or so have undeniably produced some amazing advances in optical qualities. Well, some of em anyway. But I keep reflecting on the great photography produced in the pre-computer era of the 60s - 80s and on the lenses then in every day use that made it possible.

We know technically superior images can be made with $1000+ lenses, but how about $10-100 used lenses from the recent past? How close do they actually come to the very best in bang-for-the-buck economic terms?

Id like to propose an on-going challenge, or perhaps better said, just a topical thread to produce your best possible five-image photo set using the least expensive lenses you have at hand. (If those happen to be Limiteds so be it - and bless you anyway!)

Lens categories could be Pentax only, Other brands, and Tamron Adaptalls (as a special sub-category because they can be demonstrated with more than one camera brand).

As a general goal, Id suggest trying for a lens FL set from about 28-300mm assembled for less than $50 and/or for about $200 or so the really high end stuff!. Or maybe a three lens set that costs less than your single most expensive lens? Or one zoom lens only? Write your own rules.

Photo categories to demonstrate versatility might include five shots: a macro/close-up (say about 1:3 or better), a portrait, a night scene, a landscape and one unique image of your choice to highlight a particular lens, FL or trait. Or maybe just one exceedingly outstanding shot from a beat up lens found in a trash bin. No restrictions on ISO, aperture, filters, flash etc need apply.

Given the ability to edit/add to your posts, photos could even be appended as they occur.

This isnt intended to be a competition, but rather an excuse to exercise and demonstrate (brag on?) some fine ol inexpensive lenses. No rigorous rules need apply and the categories and prices should be exceedingly flexible with the explanatory justification for your astute choices strongly encouraged.

This isn't intended to compete with the individual lens clubs, but to establish a separate consideration focused on economy and versatility. It could provide encouragement for folks on a limited budget and (un-apologetically) stimulate the turn-over of economy lenses.

Many of the noobie queries as to "what lens next?" can be best answered by investing in inexpensive lenses to see what appeals to the individual user. Nearly all of my own high-end lens purchases have been preceded by temporarily investing in low cost equivalent focal length lenses which have either been re-sold or passed along to others.

One of the Pentax advantages is versatility and access to economical (?) older lenses can we really demonstrate that here?


H2

Note: If this stimulates anyone's LBA, I'm not accepting responsibility!


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QuoteOriginally posted by pacerr Quote
. . . Given the ability to edit/add to your posts, photos could even be appended as they occur . . .
You said it, so here goes.

The zero dollar lens: Pentax DSLR Kitlens 18-55. If you really do not have one, it'll go for around 40$. Used from 21mm upwards and
upwards f/8, it's amazingly flare resistant and a very good daylight allround lens.

Kitlens 1st version nightshot 30s. on tripod (compression artefacts in the sky but I can't help it)

An M42 adapter (10-30$). Genuine Pentax is best, might look out for it to avoid emotional distress. Tinkerers are happy with the 10$
version and adhesive tape .-)

You might have guessed it, the rest of my list is M42. Best bang for buck, stunning through the whole aperture range, a true marvel is the
Pentax 1.8/55 Takumar. I like the SMC Takumar version (the newer the better). Good deal is something like 20-30$.

M42 Pentax SMC Takumar. Cropped, no pp on K100D

I'd have suggestions for a 28/3.5, 2.8/135 and 5.6/300 but I'll leave it with a close-focus converter I like. It's a Panagor Varioprox, which
will give you an easy way to get some close focus stuff by just putting it on the front of any lens, preferrably a 50mm like the a.-m.
Takumar. Got to have a Series7 step ring onto the filter thread of your lens (like 49mm for the Takumar or 52mm for the kit lens) so
that's a little extra work to get the right stepring. Should go for 10-30$, ring included or 2-3$ for the ring alone (used).

Panagor Varioprox on K100D + Ultron 1.8/50 (very similar to the Takumar)

I should end with the obvious hint that it is much cheaper to look for an old SLR incl. lenses than to shop for
single lenses. But hey that's LBA already .-)
Cheers, Georg

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This thread is just going to get dominated by Takumar users.
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QuoteOriginally posted by hangu Quote
This thread is just going to get dominated by Takumar users.
Ah, we may be surprised by what comes out of the woodwork.

I'll throw a Sears and a Sakar in when I get organized. And a coupl'a Adaptall-2's.

Georg is off to a good start.

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QuoteOriginally posted by hangu Quote
This thread is just going to get dominated by Takumar users.
Yep...my cheap super lens is my $10 Helios 44M 58/2 and is disqualified.


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. . . my $10 Helios 44M 58/2 . . . is disqualified.
How so, Steve? Seems like a perfect candidate to show the capability and versatility of economical lenses to me.

QuoteOriginally posted by pacerr Quote
Write your own rules . . . No rigorous rules need apply and the categories and prices should be exceedingly flexible with the explanatory justification for your astute choices strongly encouraged.
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QuoteOriginally posted by hangu Quote
This thread is just going to get dominated by Takumar users.
Nah, I'll second Georg and reckon the K55 f1.8 will be the surprise here!
I'll throw one out there though, Chinon 50mm, F1.8 variant @ f4 or wide open. ISO = 100, K20D







Cost to me nothing, on the bay sub $20 as far as I can see. Nice colour rendition, very K like, bokeh is ok. Handling? small and light, focus ring is nowhere as smooth as say a Takumar but usable.

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Pretty much see my flickr... the most expensive lens I've shared results of was a whopping $30, if you don't count the kit lens. And even that can be considered obtained for around $50. But, I'll see if I can take some fresh stuff to post tomorrow. This thread is right up my alley.

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I have a Pentax M42 35mm f/3.5 that was given to me for free...
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I have a Pentax M42 35mm f/3.5 that was given to me for free...
It's rumored here that the first 10,000 images made by the first recipient of a free M42 lens in the
southern hemisphere are cursed
.

I'll help you with that - if you'll send it to me I'll mate it with my curse-free S-M-C M42 35mm f/3.5
and send you the first off-spring (when it arrives). You'll rest much easier knowing
you won't have to be concerned with that unfortunate situation.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pacerr Quote
It's rumored here that the first 10,000 images made by the first recipient of a free M42 lens in the
southern hemisphere are cursed
.

I'll help you with that - if you'll send it to me I'll mate it with my curse-free S-M-C M42 35mm f/3.5
and send you the first off-spring (when it arrives). You'll rest much easier knowing
you won't have to be concerned with that unfortunate situation.

H2
It's funny you mention that, It's S/N happens to be 5077666

It had an epic case of fungus when I got it. It was a simple matter for me to clean it out. Apart from that I have only used it a handful of times. I don't think anyone will blame me for having a preference for my FA31 limited.
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I reserve the right to edit this later on..

Non Pentax..

Sears 55mm f1.4 M42 ($80 with a camera).



Big one here

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4567031143_0006b6d458_o.jpg

Wide Open



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/4566955586_8c44a2106c_o.jpg

Flare, CA, PF torture test



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I bought my Super Tak 50 1.4 for about 35 bucks last year, and my 1.8 for like just 10. But those aren't the prices now, so would my 1.4 be considered cheap by today's standards, when I bought last week a Mamiya 135 2.8 for 10? And a Helios 44-2 (58 2) for 10 just 3 months ago?

Now THAT'S cheap!
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Some examples :

Tamron 17mm on film (~11mm equivalent on APS-C, so a 10-20 is needed, 3 times the price a Tamron 17) :

S-M-C Takumar 500/4.5 (a new Sigma 500/4.5 is 10 times more expensive) :


It will be easy to find more examples
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QuoteOriginally posted by CarbonR Quote
Some examples :

Tamron 17mm on film (~11mm equivalent on APS-C, so a 10-20 is needed, 3 times the price a Tamron 17) :
I think you meant ~25mm on APS-C. ~11mm on APS-C means the lens would be a Tamron 8mm lens on film.

Edit: Nevermind, I see you're using the example of wide angle lens on film = more expensive equivalent equipment on APS-C. I can't say I find that compelling, however. That has more to do with the limits of the camera sensor than the lenses.

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