Originally posted by gofour3 There’s too much noise on higher ISO settings on a DLSR or grain on film for my taste. Just because you have the ability to easily use higher ISO settings doesn’t mean you need to, it just seems like crutch to me. I could use Kodak T-Max at 3200 ISO, but I choose not to. I prefer the slow finer grained b&w films. I can’t imagine getting a large print done of a photo I took using film shot at 1600 or 3200 ISO, digital won’t be any better.
I’m with “tiltman” shoot at the lowest ISO that you can and go for quality, rather than just cause it’s easier.
So I guess it’s a matter of taste, you can drive your Ferrari on a bumpy gravel road at 200k and I’ll drive mine at 75k on a smooth paved highway. I bet I get more performance out of the car in the long run!!
Phil.
Phil, you're definitely one of the few members here who I have the utmost respect for. However, I'm pretty worn out on this topic. Some people will get it, some won't ever. But I figure I owe you another round before I retire.
In no way do I consider ISO 1600+ ideal, there are definite drawbacks but it is the
only choice in many situations. A few days ago I took photos of friends playing a small concert in a dimly lit bar. It was very crowded and a tripod would have been awkward to use. Flash would probably have got me thrown out. I switched to ISO 1600 and got a few shots. One of them turned out to be this photo which I was very satisfied with:
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This is not a rare situation for me. I'd say a quarter to a third of my favorite photographs were shot in situations where high ISO was required. It was either that or no shot at all. That shot at ISO 100 would have required a shutter speed of roughly 1 second. Or it would have required an extremely expensive 135mm f1.4 lens. I'm curious as to what you would have done in a situation where a 135mm f3.5 lens at ISO 1600 and 1/45 shutter speed was required to grab proper exposure.
This second photo was shot in Fuerza Bruta. I was standing in a mass of people who were constantly moving. Flash photography and tripod use were prohibited:
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The man was running at full speed and there were scraps of paper being shot at him. I needed a shutter speed of 1/2000 to grab this shot. Perhaps 1/2000 was a bit excessive but it definitely required at least 1/1000 in that situation. Either way, ISO 100 was not feasible.
This is another shot I got in a restaurant with poor ambient light:
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I can pull out tons more examples of my favorite photos that were taken at ISO 1600. I think you'd be hard pressed to make the case that any of them could have been possible on low ISO. Furthermore, is the noise so bad that it ruins the photo? I think these "noisy" ISO 1600 photos were the best possible outcome of the situations. To me, it was either that, blurry photos, extremely underexposed photos, or no photo at all.
Do you seriously think high ISO capability is a crutch? It's a natural progression of digital photography. Just like the capabilities of being able to review/delete photos instantly or faster lenses with faster/more accurate auto focusing. Would you consider AF a crutch? What about fast f1.2/1.0 lenses? You do own a digital body, right?
Edit: Just checked for certain to see that 17 of my 33 favorite photos were shot at ISO 1600. Of the 16 shots that weren't shot in ISO 1600, 4 were shot on the Canon XSI, a camera with very poor high ISO performance. Seven of the 16 photos that weren't shot at ISO 1600 were shot in ISO 800, which you would consider high ISO as well. That leaves only 9 photos out of 33 of my best photos that were shot on ISO 400 or lower.