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08-12-2010, 04:00 PM   #16
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Aren't there Russian Jupiter 85 2's out there for $150?

And where did you find the 85 1.9 Super for $190?

The regular price for the Super in good condition has gone up to $250 minimum wherever I look.

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QuoteOriginally posted by dude163 Quote
$190 Super 1.9/85
$240 S-M-C 1.9/85
250 Euro Helios 40 1.5/85
I think you're completely out of touch with the prices.
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QuoteOriginally posted by XATN3q Quote
Sigma is going to have their 85 1.4 soon, it could be around $400~$500
I'll get 2 in 2 different mounts.


one for Pentax and one for a brand which has FF ( brand will depend on how which camera I would like at that particular moment).
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speaking of 85's here are some of my take on some lenses.

if you prefer cheap, auto aperture,awesome bokeh and fast aperture - Samyang/Rokinon/Vivitar 85/1.4. the only issue is difficult to nail focus at wider openings and also it's big and heavy.

if you prefer cheap, small, great bokeh, colors and sharp and contrasty images, and easy to focus - the Pentax M 85/2. issues are could had been faster aperture, stop down metering, an hexagonal OOF circles.

if you prefer really cheap, small, easy to focus, very good bokeh, circular highlights even when stopped down, precised and minute aperture speed adjustments, unique or weird rendering, the Jupiter-9. issues are strong flare, less contrast, less sharpness.


so it depends which pros and cons of a lens you are willing to compromise.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
...if you prefer really cheap, small, easy to focus, very good bokeh, circular highlights even when stopped down, precised and minute aperture speed adjustments, unique or weird rendering, the Jupiter-9. issues are strong flare, less contrast, less sharpness...

I won't dispute that the J-9 is soft and has low contrast full open. On the other hand, it is quite sharp and contrasty from f/4 down. Its rendering is definitely unique, but hardly what I would call weird. The main issues I would see with this lens are related to handling and usability. It is heavy and ponderous in use despite its fairly compact dimensions. Simply put.

As far as optical characteristics are concerned, here are shots from my Flickr photostream taken with this lens on both film and the K10D, including two accepted into PPG:
Flickr: Search fotostevia's photostream
(Yes, I actually did shoot wake boarding with the J-9...)

For a broader creative vision, see the Jupiter-9 group on Flickr:
Flickr: The Jupiter 9 85mm lens Pool

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I'm kinda in the hunt for a lens in the FL too. I'm eying the 85mm F2 but lusting after the (admittedly different) Voigtlander 90MM SLII.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
I won't dispute that the J-9 is soft and has low contrast full open. On the other hand, it is quite sharp and contrasty from f/4 down. Its rendering is definitely unique, but hardly what I would call weird. The main issues I would see with this lens are related to handling and usability. It is heavy and ponderous in use despite its fairly compact dimensions. Simply put.

As far as optical characteristics are concerned, here are shots from my Flickr photostream taken with this lens on both film and the K10D, including two accepted into PPG:
Flickr: Search fotostevia's photostream
(Yes, I actually did shoot wake boarding with the J-9...)

For a broader creative vision, see the Jupiter-9 group on Flickr:
Flickr: The Jupiter 9 85mm lens Pool

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thanks for the follow-up Steve. you have a more in-depth description of what the J-9 does and pretty spot on. it does quite to have a bit of weight into it but not as much as the Samyang. if it helps, and if ever the OP does get a J-9, it would be highly advisable to use a good lens hood.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
... if ever the OP does get a J-9, it would be highly advisable to use a good lens hood.
Forgot to mention the business about the lens hood! Flare is a huge issue even with the more recent MC versions. I use the S+W hood from heavystar on eBay. The 49mm tele model fits quite nicely on the J-9.


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The M85/2 is good choice.
Small/Portable;
Aperture level for easier use than the Takumars

Very good performance (at least on APS-C)

Only weakness is loss of contrast in some glaring situations.
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I have two 85's and a couple near-misses, all manual, mostly cheap.

Near-miss #1: Vivitar-Komine 90/2.8 macro, slower and SHARP. For me, US$3 - 470g.
Jupiter-9 85/2: Clumsy, unique, feels heavier than it is. Cost an entire US$70 - 350g.
Nikkor 85/2: Slightly modded, feels lighter than it is, my constant companion. US$9 - 300g.
Near-miss #2: Zeiss Tessar 80/2.8, pulled from an old folder, used on bellows. US$7 - 140g.

Yeah, I got lucky with the Viv 90 and the Nikkor 85. Are there any BAD 80/90's? I'm so happy with the Nikkor, I haven't wet-dreamt of breaking my (non-existant) budget for something else. Yeah, an 85/1.4 would be nice, but I'll need another inheritance. C'mon Uncle Ray, drink the lemonade...

PS: All lenses need hoods.
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What about the Zeiss Sonnar 85mm f2.8? Will you be using f2 or f1.4? I think the quality at f2.8 and f4 might be improved by having slower glass. I might be wrong, but the lack of fast apertures can be compensated for with higher ISO settings. Do you need shallow depth of field?
Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* 85mm f/2.8 (C/Y) Lens Review
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QuoteOriginally posted by dude163 Quote
Im thinking about acquiring a lens to bridge the gap from my 58mm helios 44m-6 to the SUper MC Tak 135/3.5 and have it narrowed down to 3 choices


$190 Super 1.9/85
$240 S-M-C 1.9/85
250 Euro Helios 40 1.5/85
Why no Jupiter-9?
An amazing lens to say the least...
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I don't think any of the options would dissappoint you. I'd opt for the Helios 40, have one myself and of course you'd be getting the silver version and probably in M39 mount like mine with all those aperture blades, 15 from memory and one of the bokeh monsters. The Helios M39 is in Zenit M39 register so you will retain infinity focus but you will need the M39 to M42 adaptor which cost 2 parts of sfa.
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QuoteOriginally posted by hangu Quote
I think you're completely out of touch with the prices.

Why is that too much to pay?

I found some really good prices from some people


re: Jupiter 9, I thought about that, but it seems getting one is a bit hit and miss quality wise I think

re: Minolta Nikkor, how does that fir onto a Pentax Body, do you need an adapter?

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QuoteOriginally posted by dude163 Quote

re: Jupiter 9, I thought about that, but it seems getting one is a bit hit and miss quality wise I think

d163

what do you mean hit and miss? I haven't heard of any dud nor bad copy of the J-9, except the oil on the blades which is normal for russian lenses.
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