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**wizofoz** · 09-01-2010, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by yusuf

Probably you have a good copy or the two copies which I tested were bad. Personally I wanted that lens due to 'A' but I was disappointed with the performance and in my experience it's not even sharp at f2.8 compared to tak @f2.

yusuf, you must have had two bad copies. My Samyung 85mm F1.4 was (is?) a great lens. When it got stolen it was replaced with a Fa77, and I have a Da 50-135 and a Super Tak 85mm F1.9 but I'm still thinking about buying another Samyung. I loved that lens.

JeffJS · 09-01-2010, 09:59 PM

85mm f1.4 at f1.4

Marc Sabatella · 09-01-2010, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by dude163

I couldnt find a decent jupiter 9 in N AMerica

It's a Russian lens, sold directly from Russia, but that's not actually any sort of problem.

SteveM · 09-02-2010, 12:18 AM

Careful....it's addicting. I'm stuck on the 80 something kick. I have the; 83/1.9 Takumar, 85/1.8 Auto Tak, 85/1.8 SMC Tak, K85/1.8 and the FA77ltd.

The K85 rarely leaves my camera. Sometimes some magical soft qualities are better...sometime something a bit sharper is nice, but the K85/1.8 seems to be able to deliver both.

Last edited by SteveM; 09-02-2010 at 12:25 AM.

dude163 · 09-02-2010, 02:27 AM

wow ! great shots!!

yusuf · 09-02-2010, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by JeffJS

85mm f1.4 at f1.4

Nice shot!! is that Samyung?

**StephenMerola** · 09-02-2010, 07:58 AM

Based on his profile, it appears to be the Vivitar version of the 85mm f/1.4.

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 09-02-2010, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

The FA 77 may have been crafted by elves with a liberal sprinkling of pixie dust, but the J-9 was forged by dwarfs and has a deeper magic all its own.

Steve

So that's how they do it!
You have a way with words, quite poetic!

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 09-02-2010, 08:24 AM

Just to make things simpler for the OP (or more complicated).

Here is the Super Takumar or SMC Takumar 85mm f1.9 optical diagram:

and here is the SMC Pentax-M 85mm f2.0 diagram:

Not exactly, but nearly the same. I figure that Pentax when they made the M serie recycled the 85/1.9 design, moded it a bit to make it even more compact, et voilá, the M85 was born.

The f1.9 or f2 hardly matters.
So the questions to ask yourself are:

Will you ever use it on a m42 body? Then go the Takumar way.
Do you want to shoot in manual with the green button? Then go the M85 way.
Do you prefere to shoot in apperture priority wide open (or just stopped down one or two steps)? Then go the Takumar way.
Is SMC important for you? Then avoid Super-Takumar version.
Is small important? Then go the M85 way?
Are you ever going to use it on any K mount film bodies? Then go the M85 way.

I think both are good lenses. In the end it may be up to what lens that first appear at the right price...

JeffJS · 09-02-2010, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by yusuf

Nice shot!! is that Samyung?

Thanks. Mine is the Vivitar version. From what I understand, they are all the same, just with different badges.

yusuf · 09-04-2010, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by wizofoz

yusuf, you must have had two bad copies. My Samyung 85mm F1.4 was (is?) a great lens. When it got stolen it was replaced with a Fa77, and I have a Da 50-135 and a Super Tak 85mm F1.9 but I'm still thinking about buying another Samyung. I loved that lens.

Probably you are right - my opinion was build by trying two copies but can't deny the bad coincidence.

I will be watching marketplace if someone has to sell their good copy - anyone just PM me

dude163 · 09-09-2010, 06:38 PM

I have awesome luck......not

the guy with the super taks was unavailable, in fact I havent heard from him for about a week now , so of course I bought a helios 40 for 226 euros

we shall see what its like when it arrives, if I dont like It , I can easily sell it for what I paid

thanks for all the advice and suggestions gang , there are too many lenses and not enough cash on my end unfortunately

Jonathan Mac · 10-07-2010, 08:20 AM

Due to this thread I´ve sent an e-mail inquiring about the condition of an M 85/2 I´ve seen available for around €200. Some of the photos posted here are great, and something between my 55/1.8 & 100/2.8 would make the perfect portrait lens for me. As always, impressive shots & honest reviews of lenses on these forums.

But I blame you all for my LBA

paperbag846 · 10-07-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by XATN3q

Sigma is going to have their 85 1.4 soon, it could be around $400~$500

SIGMA 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM Lens | sigmaphoto.com

yeatzee · 10-07-2010, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by paperbag846

SIGMA 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM Lens | sigmaphoto.com

that was from 2 months ago, and info was not certain then if I remember correctly.

I wish it was 500.... they would sell triple the amount they will now at its current presumed asking price garunteed.

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09-01-2010, 09:42 PM	#61
wizofoz Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Melbourne, Outer east. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,695	Originally posted by yusuf Probably you have a good copy or the two copies which I tested were bad. Personally I wanted that lens due to 'A' but I was disappointed with the performance and in my experience it's not even sharp at f2.8 compared to tak @f2. yusuf, you must have had two bad copies. My Samyung 85mm F1.4 was (is?) a great lens. When it got stolen it was replaced with a Fa77, and I have a Da 50-135 and a Super Tak 85mm F1.9 but I'm still thinking about buying another Samyung. I loved that lens.

09-01-2010, 09:59 PM	#62
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	85mm f1.4 at f1.4

09-01-2010, 11:20 PM	#63
Marc Sabatella Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denver, CO Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,685	Originally posted by dude163 I couldnt find a decent jupiter 9 in N AMerica It's a Russian lens, sold directly from Russia, but that's not actually any sort of problem.

09-02-2010, 12:18 AM	#64
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	Careful....it's addicting. I'm stuck on the 80 something kick. I have the; 83/1.9 Takumar, 85/1.8 Auto Tak, 85/1.8 SMC Tak, K85/1.8 and the FA77ltd. The K85 rarely leaves my camera. Sometimes some magical soft qualities are better...sometime something a bit sharper is nice, but the K85/1.8 seems to be able to deliver both. Last edited by SteveM; 09-02-2010 at 12:25 AM.

09-02-2010, 02:27 AM	#65
dude163 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 824 Original Poster	wow ! great shots!!

09-02-2010, 07:41 AM	#66
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Originally posted by JeffJS 85mm f1.4 at f1.4 Nice shot!! is that Samyung?

09-02-2010, 07:58 AM	#67
StephenMerola Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wisconsin Photos: Albums Posts: 423	Based on his profile, it appears to be the Vivitar version of the 85mm f/1.4.

09-02-2010, 08:09 AM	#68
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Originally posted by stevebrot The FA 77 may have been crafted by elves with a liberal sprinkling of pixie dust, but the J-9 was forged by dwarfs and has a deeper magic all its own. Steve So that's how they do it! You have a way with words, quite poetic!

09-02-2010, 08:24 AM	#69
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	Just to make things simpler for the OP (or more complicated). Here is the Super Takumar or SMC Takumar 85mm f1.9 optical diagram: and here is the SMC Pentax-M 85mm f2.0 diagram: Not exactly, but nearly the same. I figure that Pentax when they made the M serie recycled the 85/1.9 design, moded it a bit to make it even more compact, et voilá, the M85 was born. The f1.9 or f2 hardly matters. So the questions to ask yourself are: Will you ever use it on a m42 body? Then go the Takumar way. Do you want to shoot in manual with the green button? Then go the M85 way. Do you prefere to shoot in apperture priority wide open (or just stopped down one or two steps)? Then go the Takumar way. Is SMC important for you? Then avoid Super-Takumar version. Is small important? Then go the M85 way? Are you ever going to use it on any K mount film bodies? Then go the M85 way. I think both are good lenses. In the end it may be up to what lens that first appear at the right price...

09-02-2010, 10:13 AM	#70
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by yusuf Nice shot!! is that Samyung? Thanks. Mine is the Vivitar version. From what I understand, they are all the same, just with different badges.

09-04-2010, 09:04 PM	#71
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Originally posted by wizofoz yusuf, you must have had two bad copies. My Samyung 85mm F1.4 was (is?) a great lens. When it got stolen it was replaced with a Fa77, and I have a Da 50-135 and a Super Tak 85mm F1.9 but I'm still thinking about buying another Samyung. I loved that lens. Probably you are right - my opinion was build by trying two copies but can't deny the bad coincidence. I will be watching marketplace if someone has to sell their good copy - anyone just PM me

09-09-2010, 06:38 PM	#72
dude163 Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 824 Original Poster	I have awesome luck......not the guy with the super taks was unavailable, in fact I havent heard from him for about a week now , so of course I bought a helios 40 for 226 euros we shall see what its like when it arrives, if I dont like It , I can easily sell it for what I paid thanks for all the advice and suggestions gang , there are too many lenses and not enough cash on my end unfortunately

10-07-2010, 08:20 AM	#73
Jonathan Mac Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 10,911	Due to this thread I´ve sent an e-mail inquiring about the condition of an M 85/2 I´ve seen available for around €200. Some of the photos posted here are great, and something between my 55/1.8 & 100/2.8 would make the perfect portrait lens for me. As always, impressive shots & honest reviews of lenses on these forums. But I blame you all for my LBA

10-07-2010, 11:22 AM	#74
paperbag846 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,395	Originally posted by XATN3q Sigma is going to have their 85 1.4 soon, it could be around $400~$500 SIGMA 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM Lens \| sigmaphoto.com

10-07-2010, 11:56 AM	#75
yeatzee Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Temecula Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,675	Originally posted by paperbag846 SIGMA 85mm F1.4 EX DG HSM Lens \| sigmaphoto.com that was from 2 months ago, and info was not certain then if I remember correctly. I wish it was 500.... they would sell triple the amount they will now at its current presumed asking price garunteed.

85mm decision help requested

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