Are there two slightly different versions of the FA*85/1.4?

dgaies · 08-28-2010, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Adam

BTW, there are also 302xxxx serial numbers: I saw one on eBay today (it was a 1b).

Added it to post #18 earlier this evening

K-9 · 10-01-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Adam

My theory is that Pentax felt that the original hood was a didn't latch as well as it should, and therefore applied a quick fix.

I disagree. I have the first style hood and it attaches very solid and securely. Almost too solid, like it will scrape the black mount paint off. I wonder if that is why they changed it. Lots of these lenses for sale have brassing on the black where the hood mounts.

Originally posted by Asahiflex

What I did notice was that the old FA* 85 hood "slides" into place while turning until it gently locks (there is a drag while sliding). The new FA* 85 hood just slides into place without drag and locks a little more aggressively.

Yes, and that dragging while it slides can brass the mount.

Adam · 10-01-2010, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by K-9

I disagree. I have the first style hood and it attaches very solid and securely. Almost too solid, like it will scrape the black mount paint off. I wonder if that is why they changed it. Lots of these lenses for sale have brassing on the black where the hood mounts.

Yes, and that dragging while it slides can brass the mount.

I definitely think that it's solid when mounted for use, but the issue surfaces when you attach the hood backwards, for storage. Pentax put a double bayonet in there, which is some pretty cheesy designing if you ask me. Also, I think that the original hood is more easily subject to wear. I still like mine, though! My "model 2" 85mm has been on the shelf since I bought it

cameraboy · 12-07-2010, 12:29 PM

How to get my hands one I have been looking at the sigma but still prefer to buy original Pentax lenses. Just have to wait for one to come on the market I guess. Ian

Asahiflex · 12-07-2010, 01:09 PM

I wish you much luck finding one Ian! Your best bet would be trying to find one in Japan (Matsuiyastore comes to mind).

Adam · 12-08-2010, 01:12 PM

They pop up pretty often- just keep an eye out on the marketplace as well as ebay.

**Douglas_of_Sweden** · 12-08-2010, 03:55 PM

You guys appear to have caught an unusuall and very specialised and agressive form of LBA...

Jonson PL · 12-11-2010, 02:05 PM

Fascinating stuff, those FA*'s sure have a draw to them

Syb · 11-06-2011, 11:36 AM

I have a 390xxxx. It has the lip and the newer hood. And no need saying: it is marvellous!

Syb · 11-06-2011, 11:41 AM

Would there be a difference between the versions with the CE mark, and the ones without? I purchased mine from a European fellow forum member, and had not before been aware that this CE mark was absent.

Adam · 11-06-2011, 11:50 AM

I don't think there would be any difference aside from the 3 different variants.

Ben_Edict · 11-07-2011, 01:27 PM

Re. CE symbol and label

The European CE Label means nothing else, but that a product conforms to the European regulations, which are applicable to the product/product group. It has indeed not even an official translation and is not really an abbreviation, but more or less a graphical symbol. (In the past, it was often referred to as "Conformité Européenne", but that is doubtful, if the Wikipedia is correct.) More info: CE marking - Single market for goods - Enterprise and Industry

CE conformity could include RoHs regulations, if it is required for the product. In the case of the Pentax lenses, the lead problem was simply related to the use of leaded solder on the PCBs, which mostly affected the cameras. Thus we can contribute to RoHs regulations, that the Pentax 67II was withdrawn early from the European markets, much earlier, than in other countries. Pentax at that time decided, that the small numbers sold of the 67II were not worth the expense to change the production process.

I bought my own copy of the FA 85mm in the US, just about when it was released, it has a 301xxx serial number and is one of my most treasured lenses, though I don't use it that often anymore with digital.

Ben

angerdan · 11-28-2020, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by dgaies

FWIW, it looks like not only is the hood mount slightly different, but the actual shape of the hood is slightly different as well.
On the older style hood (left) there is a "bump" near the base of the hood. On the newer style hood (right) has no bump and is pretty straight up until the point that it tapers into the mount.

Beside these two versions, it seems like there's another version of the FA* 85mm 1.4 hood:

Image source:
Pentaxian Profile: Nguyen Nam - Pentaxian Profiles | PentaxForums.com

Or is it just the Pentax 645 PH-RBD67 Lens Hood for 120mm f/4 FA Macro after a paintjob?
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/326653-fa-...macro-fit.html

https://www.keh.com/shop/pentax-645-ph-rbd-67-120-f-4-fa-macro-709786.html

cyclone3d · 10-10-2022, 11:28 AM

Has anybody come up with an STL file to 3D print the part that breaks on the old style hood? Looks like a fairly simple piece to print and the only real manual part that would need to be done would be to drill pilot holes for the screws.

I'm not seeing anything coming up when I do a Google search.

angerdan · 10-11-2022, 01:54 AM

I checked the Pentax 3D printable list - no entry:
More Pentax related 3D printable goodies - PentaxForums.com

If someone does a 3D-scan and creates a new STL-File, this would be interesting.

10-01-2010, 07:53 PM	#48
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	Originally posted by K-9 I disagree. I have the first style hood and it attaches very solid and securely. Almost too solid, like it will scrape the black mount paint off. I wonder if that is why they changed it. Lots of these lenses for sale have brassing on the black where the hood mounts. Yes, and that dragging while it slides can brass the mount. I definitely think that it's solid when mounted for use, but the issue surfaces when you attach the hood backwards, for storage. Pentax put a double bayonet in there, which is some pretty cheesy designing if you ask me. Also, I think that the original hood is more easily subject to wear. I still like mine, though! My "model 2" 85mm has been on the shelf since I bought it Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

12-07-2010, 12:29 PM	#49
cameraboy Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Si chang mai nong khai province Posts: 33	85 f1.4 How to get my hands one I have been looking at the sigma but still prefer to buy original Pentax lenses. Just have to wait for one to come on the market I guess. Ian

12-08-2010, 01:12 PM	#51
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	They pop up pretty often- just keep an eye out on the marketplace as well as ebay. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

11-06-2011, 11:36 AM	#54
Syb Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Near Utrecht, Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,221	I have a 390xxxx. It has the lip and the newer hood. And no need saying: it is marvellous! Last edited by Syb; 11-06-2011 at 11:37 AM. Reason: wrong word

11-06-2011, 11:41 AM	#55
Syb Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Near Utrecht, Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,221	Would there be a difference between the versions with the CE mark, and the ones without? I purchased mine from a European fellow forum member, and had not before been aware that this CE mark was absent. Last edited by Syb; 11-06-2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason: typo

08-28-2010, 06:34 PM	#46
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917 Original Poster	Originally posted by Adam BTW, there are also 302xxxx serial numbers: I saw one on eBay today (it was a 1b). Added it to post #18 earlier this evening

10-01-2010, 07:48 PM	#47
K-9 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,971	Originally posted by Adam My theory is that Pentax felt that the original hood was a didn't latch as well as it should, and therefore applied a quick fix. I disagree. I have the first style hood and it attaches very solid and securely. Almost too solid, like it will scrape the black mount paint off. I wonder if that is why they changed it. Lots of these lenses for sale have brassing on the black where the hood mounts. Originally posted by Asahiflex What I did notice was that the old FA* 85 hood "slides" into place while turning until it gently locks (there is a drag while sliding). The new FA* 85 hood just slides into place without drag and locks a little more aggressively. Yes, and that dragging while it slides can brass the mount.

12-07-2010, 01:09 PM	#50
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	I wish you much luck finding one Ian! Your best bet would be trying to find one in Japan (Matsuiyastore comes to mind).

12-08-2010, 03:55 PM	#52
Douglas_of_Sweden Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Stockholm Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,374	You guys appear to have caught an unusuall and very specialised and agressive form of LBA...

12-11-2010, 02:05 PM	#53
Jonson PL Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Copenhagen Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,842	Fascinating stuff, those FA*'s sure have a draw to them

11-06-2011, 11:50 AM	#56
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,594	I don't think there would be any difference aside from the 3 different variants. Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

11-07-2011, 01:27 PM	#57
Ben_Edict Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SouthWest "Regio" Photos: Albums Posts: 3,309	Re. CE symbol and label The European CE Label means nothing else, but that a product conforms to the European regulations, which are applicable to the product/product group. It has indeed not even an official translation and is not really an abbreviation, but more or less a graphical symbol. (In the past, it was often referred to as "Conformité Européenne", but that is doubtful, if the Wikipedia is correct.) More info: CE marking - Single market for goods - Enterprise and Industry CE conformity could include RoHs regulations, if it is required for the product. In the case of the Pentax lenses, the lead problem was simply related to the use of leaded solder on the PCBs, which mostly affected the cameras. Thus we can contribute to RoHs regulations, that the Pentax 67II was withdrawn early from the European markets, much earlier, than in other countries. Pentax at that time decided, that the small numbers sold of the 67II were not worth the expense to change the production process. I bought my own copy of the FA 85mm in the US, just about when it was released, it has a 301xxx serial number and is one of my most treasured lenses, though I don't use it that often anymore with digital. Ben

11-28-2020, 04:06 AM	#58
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	Originally posted by dgaies FWIW, it looks like not only is the hood mount slightly different, but the actual shape of the hood is slightly different as well. On the older style hood (left) there is a "bump" near the base of the hood. On the newer style hood (right) has no bump and is pretty straight up until the point that it tapers into the mount. Beside these two versions, it seems like there's another version of the FA* 85mm 1.4 hood: Image source: Pentaxian Profile: Nguyen Nam - Pentaxian Profiles \| PentaxForums.com Or is it just the Pentax 645 PH-RBD67 Lens Hood for 120mm f/4 FA Macro after a paintjob? https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/326653-fa-...macro-fit.html https://www.keh.com/shop/pentax-645-ph-rbd-67-120-f-4-fa-macro-709786.html Last edited by angerdan; 11-28-2020 at 04:17 AM.

10-10-2022, 11:28 AM	#59
cyclone3d Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Huntsville, Alabama Posts: 511	Has anybody come up with an STL file to 3D print the part that breaks on the old style hood? Looks like a fairly simple piece to print and the only real manual part that would need to be done would be to drill pilot holes for the screws. I'm not seeing anything coming up when I do a Google search.

10-11-2022, 01:54 AM	#60
angerdan Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,639	I checked the Pentax 3D printable list - no entry: More Pentax related 3D printable goodies - PentaxForums.com If someone does a 3D-scan and creates a new STL-File, this would be interesting.

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