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09-13-2010, 05:43 PM   #31
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Doesn't matter if it was the 80's or last month. You won't find those prices anymore. So no use comparing a modern lens to yesterday's prices unless you've got a time machine.

Also, I think the FA35 line was made in the 90's and sitting in a warehouse until sold. But I don't know for sure.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Aegon Quote
Doesn't matter if it was the 80's or last month. You won't find those prices anymore. So not use comparing a modern lens to yesterday's prices unless you've got a time machine.

Also, I think the FA35 line was made in the 90's and sitting in a warehouse until sold. But I don't know for sure.
Yes, it certainly does matter, because the cost of production has not gone up by double in 2 years. They are selling for these high prices because they are desirable and in limited quantity. That's the first I've ever heard of the stock being from the 90s. The factory in Japan was closed in 2008.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aegon Quote
Doesn't matter if it was the 80's or last month. You won't find those prices anymore. So not use comparing a modern lens to yesterday's prices unless you've got a time machine.

Also, I think the FA35 line was made in the 90's and sitting in a warehouse until sold. But I don't know for sure.
"What we have, here, is a failure, to communicate." -----Srother Martin

$500-600 is getting awfully close to the FA 31mm at $964.95. While I have concerns about build quality and materials in the DAL 35/2.4 AL, the FA 35/2 lens body isn't exactly attractive, made of plastic, and has very time mf ring. The prices on this things went up due to availability. Furthermore, while I'm sure there is the random shop or vendor that has some 90s NOS, Pentax was making the FA 50/1.4 and 35/2 in Japan until recently. They apparently moved the assembly of the 50/1.4 to Vietnam. My guess is they decided to tool up for this new lens and maybe another one.

Edit: The price jump on used and NOS FA 35/2 has more to do with demand than production costs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
Yes, it certainly does matter, because the cost of production has not gone up by double in 2 years.
Maybe not double, but it has gone up.
Inflation Fears After Vietnam Boosts Wages - WSJ.com
USD/JPY: Aiming for a New Low?

So manufacturing costs in asia rise while the buying power of the dollar weakens.

As to 90s NOS, what I'm referring to is not assembly but rather production of the lens components. I thought they made a run of glass that has been sitting in a warehouse and perhaps assembled in the last few years. If they make batches of lenses like a short order cook then I am mistaken.

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"What we have, here, is a failure, to communicate." -----Srother Martin

$500-600 is getting awfully close to the FA 31mm at $964.95.
True, awfully close. But when the FA35 was $299 the FA31 was $600. At that time, both lenses were made in Japan. If they were made in Japan today you'd see the FA31 over 1000, probably at 1200.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aegon Quote
True, awfully close. But when the FA35 was $299 the FA31 was $600. At that time, both lenses were made in Japan. If they were made in Japan today you'd see the FA31 over 1000, probably at 1200.
If the FA 31 had been $600 in 2008, I would have one.
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If the FA 31 had been $600 in 2008, I would have one.
You and me both. If you look at the reviews from 2007, the price most people paid back then was about $800.
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In October 2008 the lens was $800 from Prodigital and Microsoft had 25% cashback, so you could buy one for $600.
I couldn't find anyone on this forum who reported getting one, but there are hints:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31731-super-mu...tml#post377493
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31731-super-mu...tml#post403577

I bought a 35mm Macro for $312 at the time, so I couldn't put the money together to buy the 31. I also bought a Sigma 24-60/2.8 EX-DG for $199, an FA50/1.4 for $199, and so on. Because that's how things were in 2008. The credit crunch had hit and corporations were looking to liquidate stock because credit was impossible to get anywhere.

I remember the FA50/1.7 being $150 and agonizing over whether to splurge on the 1.4. Those were the days.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
"What we have, here, is a failure, to communicate." -----Srother Martin

$500-600 is getting awfully close to the FA 31mm at $964.95. While I have concerns about build quality and materials in the DAL 35/2.4 AL, the FA 35/2 lens body isn't exactly attractive, made of plastic, and has very time mf ring. The prices on this things went up due to availability. Furthermore, while I'm sure there is the random shop or vendor that has some 90s NOS, Pentax was making the FA 50/1.4 and 35/2 in Japan until recently. They apparently moved the assembly of the 50/1.4 to Vietnam. My guess is they decided to tool up for this new lens and maybe another one.

Edit: The price jump on used and NOS FA 35/2 has more to do with demand than production costs.

the increase in demand on the FA35 is due to the fact that it is much cheaper than the FA31 (a cheap alternative) and due to the growing popularity of the lens. I believe the FA35 is a sleeper and was never hugely noticed not until recently. it was more due to a cult following that made this lens popular to say the least.

my acquisition of the FA35 however was more of an accident or fueled by LBA rather than for an intended purchase for a specific purpose. I was more into 50mm honestly. I just chanced on reading a few reviews about the FA35, saw a few samples and made me say, I WANT THAT LENS ! yes, I fell in love with it's uncanny sharpness at the wider openings. however, I find it more of use compared to my 50s' due to it's focal length versatility for general use. actually I didn't mind the lousy or thin MF ring since it's AF is it's strong point, and MF is quite unnecessary due to short focus throw. lowlight situations however could be close to comfort with a better MF ring although the FA35's MF ring is workable.
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QuoteOriginally posted by GeneV Quote
You and me both. If you look at the reviews from 2007, the price most people paid back then was about $800.
and the FA50/1.4 was $200, DA40 for $300 and the DA* zooms for around $650. ah, those were the days that those lenses was way cheaper. so sad, it was the time the I don't have any budget as well.
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The DA40 is current $340, the DA*16-50 $740. That's not *that* much higher than the prices you call "way cheaper".
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And at $340 the DA40 is my idea of the toughest competition against the DAL35.

I love the DA40. What an amazing lens. If the DAL really sells for $240 or whatever then it would have to be very good indeed to get the nod over the 40 at $340.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
The DA40 is current $340, the DA*16-50 $740. That's not *that* much higher than the prices you call "way cheaper".
it's over a thousand here Marc. even up til now. would you believe that? before it was running for $650. the only way we can get cheaper is if we buy something across the border or browse our local CL.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Marc Sabatella Quote
The DA40 is current $340, the DA*16-50 $740. That's not *that* much higher than the prices you call "way cheaper".
I'm not sure what you are referring to, but are you comparing a LTD and DA* lens prices with the FA or DA 35?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
and the FA50/1.4 was $200, DA40 for $300 and the DA* zooms for around $650. ah, those were the days that those lenses was way cheaper. so sad, it was the time the I don't have any budget as well.
Yes, but my point was the 31 was not $600, even back then. It has generally been north of $750 for years.

I also bought the FA35 as a poor man's FA 31. I paid in the high $300s for it on Ebay shortly after it was discontinued. It was probably a case of bad auction attitude, but I have enjoyed the lens. I shot a company picnic for my wife's company at night at the zoo a year ago that I could not have done with any other lens in my bag. (It is a good-sized company and my wife edits the newsletter, so I get this job every year)
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