Deer Pentax Forumers who hunt,

icywarm · 09-16-2010, 10:18 AM

Ok I have a Deer related question.... I am going to go sit in a tree stand tomorrow morning at 4:30am til first light at 6:15am... but instead of my bow... I will have my camera, the guy beside me will have his bow...

Now my question is...

will the motor in a DA* lens be heard by a deer? I have found online the the ultra-sonic drive of a canon lens can be heard by deer... how about pentax?

I don't want to send a trophy running because I try and focus!?!

Or should I just take a manual lens? PS this is the first time I have ever wanted the feature where the mirror does not snap back unless you release the button!

Andi Lo · 09-16-2010, 10:32 AM

Just bring the DA* and manual focus it if you figure that the deer can hear it.

With a DA* lens i think you have to worry more about shutter noise. If you have anything other than K-7, I'm sure that the shutter is noisier than canon USM focusing.

Frogfish · 09-16-2010, 10:41 AM

I hope the deer hears it

opfor · 09-16-2010, 10:48 AM

Any 'human' noise will spook the deer. Worse yet would be smell. Any soap, aftershave, ect will send them running even quicker. Ask your friend the hunter on what you should be doing.
If he doesn't know what to tell you, call in sick. You don't need to be in the woods with someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

jjdgti · 09-16-2010, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

I hope the deer hears it

Me too.

icywarm · 09-16-2010, 10:58 AM

Oh I have hunted with him before and we got the smell, colours, etc, all covered... I have used my KX before in the bush with a cover on the LCD and just a manual Tak 200mm...

I was more worried about deers hearing things we cannot... like the whin of an ultra sonic motor...

And for those who don't want the deers to die.... most of the meat goes to the local food bank... and the deer population is way too crowded... so really we are doing a service to the poor and the herd!

**pacerr** · 09-16-2010, 11:01 AM - **1 Like**

Oh, yeah! At bow range they'll hear it!! How concerned they'll be is the question. Using manual focus and pre-focusing on the likely path eliminates that issue.

If you just can't resist using AF, again, pre-focus to minimize AF motor-time but don't count on a solid focus lock under those lighting conditions anyway.

Once the mirror flops around, focus noise will be the least of your worries. Think about everything that's happening at that point in time, not just the camera. Que your camera action on the sound of the bow string.

Buck a3.jpg photo - Pacerr photos at pbase.com

H2

Re the confusing EXIF: Was using son's Canon. Copied title line from other images and couldn't correct it later. That is aCanon image.

Last edited by pacerr; 09-16-2010 at 11:52 AM.

icywarm · 09-16-2010, 11:03 AM

pacerr,

bow string... good idea!

BTW nice pbase images! Very impressive stuff!

Entropy · 09-16-2010, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by icywarm

And for those who don't want the deers to die.... most of the meat goes to the local food bank... and the deer population is way too crowded... so really we are doing a service to the poor and the herd!

Pretty similar situation in New Jersey. All of the natural predators of deer are extinct, and most places are way too dense to permit hunting.

The state has opened up restrictions on bow hunting significantly, however there are still a lot of areas with deer overpopulation because it's too crowded even for bow hunting. The state has resorted to calling in police sharpshooters (I'm assuming the rationale here is that police sharpshooters have far more training in how to avoid collateral damage in a crowded area than most hunters.)

audiobomber · 09-16-2010, 11:40 AM

There's an old Native saying: A leaf fell in the forest. The eagle saw it, the deer heard it, the bear smelled it.

**pacerr** · 09-16-2010, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

There's an old Native saying: A leaf fell in the forest. The eagle saw it, the deer heard it, the bear smelled it.

. . . and downtown a politician tried to pass legislation making the dying of leaves unnatural, illegal and subject to a $100 fine for littering!

H2

ddharriman · 09-16-2010, 12:18 PM

"I hope the deer hears it"

I third it!!!!!!

opfor · 09-16-2010, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by icywarm

Oh I have hunted with him before and we got the smell, colours, etc, all covered...

Color isn't really a problem, IIRC deer are color blind and key in on movement. The biggest thing is smell, followed by sound, followed by movement. Go manual and try to figure out a wrap of some sort to kill/lessen the sound of your mirror flip/shutter.

**boriscleto** · 09-16-2010, 01:53 PM

I don't know of any deer that know how to use a computer, let alone a camera.

**Lowell Goudge** · 09-16-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Entropy

The state has resorted to calling in police sharpshooters (I'm assuming the rationale here is that police sharpshooters have far more training in how to avoid collateral damage in a crowded area than most hunters.)

Don't assume anything. A hunter in a stand, shooting down, is the only way to insure that a miss actually goes directly into the dirt.

Any shot taken level with a deer could, depending on gun and ammo, go miles.

09-16-2010, 10:18 AM	#1
icywarm Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,278	Deer Pentax Forumers who hunt, Ok I have a Deer related question.... I am going to go sit in a tree stand tomorrow morning at 4:30am til first light at 6:15am... but instead of my bow... I will have my camera, the guy beside me will have his bow... Now my question is... will the motor in a DA* lens be heard by a deer? I have found online the the ultra-sonic drive of a canon lens can be heard by deer... how about pentax? I don't want to send a trophy running because I try and focus!?! Or should I just take a manual lens? PS this is the first time I have ever wanted the feature where the mirror does not snap back unless you release the button!

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09-16-2010, 10:32 AM	#2
Andi Lo Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 2,924	Just bring the DA* and manual focus it if you figure that the deer can hear it. With a DA* lens i think you have to worry more about shutter noise. If you have anything other than K-7, I'm sure that the shutter is noisier than canon USM focusing.

09-16-2010, 10:41 AM	#3
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	I hope the deer hears it

09-16-2010, 10:48 AM	#4
opfor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 276	Any 'human' noise will spook the deer. Worse yet would be smell. Any soap, aftershave, ect will send them running even quicker. Ask your friend the hunter on what you should be doing. If he doesn't know what to tell you, call in sick. You don't need to be in the woods with someone who doesn't know what they are doing.

09-16-2010, 10:49 AM	#5
jjdgti Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NJ Posts: 1,824	Originally posted by Frogfish I hope the deer hears it Me too.

09-16-2010, 10:58 AM	#6
icywarm Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,278 Original Poster	Oh I have hunted with him before and we got the smell, colours, etc, all covered... I have used my KX before in the bush with a cover on the LCD and just a manual Tak 200mm... I was more worried about deers hearing things we cannot... like the whin of an ultra sonic motor... And for those who don't want the deers to die.... most of the meat goes to the local food bank... and the deer population is way too crowded... so really we are doing a service to the poor and the herd!

09-16-2010, 11:01 AM - 1 Like	#7
pacerr Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Paris, TN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,349	Oh, yeah! At bow range they'll hear it!! How concerned they'll be is the question. Using manual focus and pre-focusing on the likely path eliminates that issue. If you just can't resist using AF, again, pre-focus to minimize AF motor-time but don't count on a solid focus lock under those lighting conditions anyway. Once the mirror flops around, focus noise will be the least of your worries. Think about everything that's happening at that point in time, not just the camera. Que your camera action on the sound of the bow string. Buck a3.jpg photo - Pacerr photos at pbase.com H2 Re the confusing EXIF: Was using son's Canon. Copied title line from other images and couldn't correct it later. That is aCanon image. Last edited by pacerr; 09-16-2010 at 11:52 AM.

09-16-2010, 11:03 AM	#8
icywarm Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Saskatchewan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,278 Original Poster	pacerr, bow string... good idea! BTW nice pbase images! Very impressive stuff!

09-16-2010, 11:21 AM	#9
Entropy Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 976	Originally posted by icywarm And for those who don't want the deers to die.... most of the meat goes to the local food bank... and the deer population is way too crowded... so really we are doing a service to the poor and the herd! Pretty similar situation in New Jersey. All of the natural predators of deer are extinct, and most places are way too dense to permit hunting. The state has opened up restrictions on bow hunting significantly, however there are still a lot of areas with deer overpopulation because it's too crowded even for bow hunting. The state has resorted to calling in police sharpshooters (I'm assuming the rationale here is that police sharpshooters have far more training in how to avoid collateral damage in a crowded area than most hunters.)

09-16-2010, 11:40 AM	#10
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	There's an old Native saying: *A leaf fell in the forest. The eagle saw it, the deer heard it, the bear smelled it.*

09-16-2010, 11:59 AM	#11
pacerr Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Paris, TN Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,349	Originally posted by audiobomber There's an old Native saying: *A leaf fell in the forest. The eagle saw it, the deer heard it, the bear smelled it.* . . . and downtown a politician tried to pass legislation making the dying of leaves unnatural, illegal and subject to a $100 fine for littering! H2

09-16-2010, 12:18 PM	#12
ddharriman Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 345	"I hope the deer hears it" I third it!!!!!!

09-16-2010, 01:01 PM	#13
opfor Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Albums Posts: 276	Originally posted by icywarm Oh I have hunted with him before and we got the smell, colours, etc, all covered... Color isn't really a problem, IIRC deer are color blind and key in on movement. The biggest thing is smell, followed by sound, followed by movement. Go manual and try to figure out a wrap of some sort to kill/lessen the sound of your mirror flip/shutter.

09-16-2010, 01:53 PM	#14
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	I don't know of any deer that know how to use a computer, let alone a camera.

09-16-2010, 02:21 PM	#15
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by Entropy The state has resorted to calling in police sharpshooters (I'm assuming the rationale here is that police sharpshooters have far more training in how to avoid collateral damage in a crowded area than most hunters.) Don't assume anything. A hunter in a stand, shooting down, is the only way to insure that a miss actually goes directly into the dirt. Any shot taken level with a deer could, depending on gun and ammo, go miles.