Annihilation of Pentax lens line up - death of FA ltds

aleonx3 · 09-25-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by troglodyte

I can't believe this. The FA31 is the best AF lens ever made. It even competed very well with the 35mm summicron. Very sad. This makes my future ownership even more of a dream now!

What do you mean? May be there will some appearing in the market place soon.. you may own one at a cheap price.

RawheaD · 09-25-2010, 03:39 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rparmar

If there is no future in the brand I will stop putting any money into it. I have already called on Pentax to produce more FA Limiteds. If instead they stop what is their signature lens line, I have lost interest. Sure I'll keep the lenses I have, sell off the junk or average stuff and buy someone else's products. No, this is nothing to do with full-frame. If you learned a little more about the lenses we are talking about you would have a clue.

I know perfectly well what I'm talking about. I owned an FA 31 Lim and loved it to death. And as much as I loved it, I'm also a *rational* person, who can think, not only passionately about things, like you do about the FA limiteds, I also can think logically about things.

And your *call* to Pentax to produce more FA Liimiteds, is one of the most illogical, irrational things one could do, when, again, Pentax doesn't have, and as far as we know, has no plans of making, a full frame DSLR. It has everything to do with FF. If you learned a little more about cameras, you would have a clue.

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Yep. Because I care about other people and live my life through conviviality and community. How can I write about and recommend a product that others do not have reasonable access to?

Oh great way to debate; twist my words to make me sound like some uncompassionate jackass. What does being able to recommend it to other people have anything directly to do with what *YOU* choose to use? That's another absurdity from you.

I've been an Apple/Mac fan since the mid-90s. I loved their philosophy, and I loved their aesthetics. During the late 90s and early 2000s, there was a time that Apple looked like they were going to die at any moment. I continued to use their computers. *However,* I wouldn't have recommended Macs to anyone at that point in time, and indeed, if anybody asked me what they should buy, I would always tell them to buy an HP or whatever.

So, perhaps Pentax will become *unrecommendable* to you. Again, that doesn't explain why you would abandon the brand. You're talking all emotion, zero logic.

Quote:

You think incorrectly.

Says you.

troglodyte · 09-25-2010, 03:40 PM

aleon,
I can only get one lens a year. I already got the da21 this year? I looked up on ebay the going price is $1300. B&H and adorama are out of stock. What price will it be next year?

Asahiflex · 09-25-2010, 03:43 PM

Please tell me that this is a bad dream. The discontinuation of the FA Limiteds makes NO sense at all. They fit perfectly on any Pentax APS-C. The 31, 43 and 77 are the best AF lenses ever made. Agan: why discontinue them? If there will never be a FF camera, then why not drop the K-mount (which is a FF mount) altogether. That would be the best way to shatter our dreams forever.

It's OK with me if Pentax-Hoya is ruled by beancounters, but please keep your hands off our treasured Limiteds!

**robbiec** · 09-25-2010, 03:51 PM

Could this be a ploy to bump sales of the FA LTDs? Viral marketing and all that?

aleonx3 · 09-25-2010, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by troglodyte

aleon,
I can only get one lens a year. I already got the da21 this year? I looked up on ebay the going price is $1300. B&H and adorama are out of stock. What price will it be next year?

All I am saying is that the rumors and uncertainty about how Pentax is going to survive without a FF in the future road map; and the "rumor" about discontinuation of FA limited lenses have instilled fears in people's mind that Pentax has abandoned the high-end product lines. For many, loyalty to Pentax has been shaken. Whether it is right move to leave or stay in an individual decision. This also spells opportunity to pick up a premium lens at a decent price if you plan on staying with it.

vsl3-e · 09-25-2010, 03:56 PM

I've heard of these lenses having "pixie dust" so i guess Pentax is forced to stop production since the pixie is dead.

But seriously, I'm also dissapointed to hear these legendary lenses will be stopped, since I was hoping to acquire the FA77, and especially the FA31 one day. But thinking rationally, i guess the DA70 is a good replacement for the FA77, and if they replace the FA31 with some DA*28 f2 or similar, things won't be that bad in Pentaxland.:ugh:

TOUGEFC · 09-25-2010, 04:01 PM

Its pretty sad if they stop production of the FA LTDS

Ive got the MIJ FA77 and hands down its the best lens i own. And im buying the FA43 LTD next week. So i guess if you are planing to buy them the time is now, ive got a feeling these lenses are going to skyrocket in value.

SteveM · 09-25-2010, 04:09 PM

Well I hope dropping the FA Ltds is just a rumor.

As far as the new lenses go, we'll need to take a look to see what the 18-135 can produce and I'm wondering if the DC motor is the replacement of SDM that everyone has been looking for? The DA L 35 is obviously a kit lens, just a little different being a prime, and it comes in matching colors for the K-r. I doubt there was any expectation that someone would buy one for use on anything other than the K-r.

Pentax needs to release a "proper" lens. I wish they would put out another DA F WR like they did with the 100 macro. Reproducing the FA 600mm in a DA F WR that is metal cased like the 100 would breath some life back into the lens lineup.

As far as the K-5 goes, there were a number of threads started a few months ago asking for a new K-7 with the sensor out of the K-x. The K-5 could be much more than that combination. We'll just need to be patient to see if that is the case.

openyourap · 09-25-2010, 04:26 PM

If true, I expect that they are going to be be reincarnated as DFA* or DFA Ltds, and re-released with much fanfare when the FF is dropped.

SteveM · 09-25-2010, 05:23 PM

Perhaps Pentax is doing us a favor by killing LBA for new lens sales.....

yeatzee · 09-25-2010, 05:36 PM

If the death of the trio means new better primes than im all for it

falconeye · 09-25-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by jpzk

With all due respect to folks like Blende and Falconeye, who seem to be the only two people REALLY knowing what's going on (happened) with these Photokina announcements, I am again somewhat sceptical about ANY such "news", until they are confirmed by Pentax.

In all due respect, I don't endorse Wieland's post in this point. I said that in "my" thread. So, please do not quote me in this context.

As I said, I wasn't around when the above was said. But I know who said it ...

I strongly recommend everybody to calm down until the message could be verified.

Wieland's post was rather unfavourate. He should have been a bit more cautious, I guess.

The damage is already produced, however, It's already swapped to other forums like photo.net -> FA Limiteds discontinued?! - Photo.net Pentax Forum

I'll report in "my" thread what my reserach to verify this conversation snippet will deliver.

EDIT:
The remark about being cited incorrectly applies to jpzk's quote, not Nubi's original post. But I thank jpzk for giving me the opportunity to clarify this.

Nubi · 09-25-2010, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

In all due respect, I don't endorse Wieland's post in this point. I said that in "my" thread. So, please do not quote me in this context.

As I said, I wasn't around when the above was said. But I know who said it ...

I strongly recommend everybody to calm down until the message could be verified.

Wieland's post was rather unfavourate. He should have been a bit more cautious, I guess.

The damage is already produced, however, It's already swapped to other forums like photo.net -> FA Limiteds discontinued?! - Photo.net Pentax Forum

I'll report in "my" thread what my reserach to verify this conversation snippet will deliver.

I wholeheartedly agree that we ought to be very careful who and how we quote each other. I was very mindful of that as I chose how to phrase it. I hope you didn't have a problem with how I put it. Sorry if you did.

Thank you again for your injection here. We look forward to hearing from you as to what you ended up concluding.

It maybe just me, but this news rings true to me. It is so in line with what has been going on.

Gee, wait until RH gets a hold of that. Oops, did I say a bad word?? Sorry.

creampuff · 09-25-2010, 06:03 PM - **1 Like**

Do we need to get so worked up over the comments of a German member? I had a Pentax user training session yesterday and we had the local Pentax agent present and there was no indication that any of the FA Limiteds were disappearing. I'll believe it when Pentax Japan comes out with a press release...

Everyone can mitigate by going out and buying an FA Limited tomorrow, that way the sudden surge in demand will make the idea of discontinuing the FA Limiteds a bad one.

09-25-2010, 03:54 PM	#36
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by troglodyte aleon, I can only get one lens a year. I already got the da21 this year? I looked up on ebay the going price is $1300. B&H and adorama are out of stock. What price will it be next year? All I am saying is that the rumors and uncertainty about how Pentax is going to survive without a FF in the future road map; and the "rumor" about discontinuation of FA limited lenses have instilled fears in people's mind that Pentax has abandoned the high-end product lines. For many, loyalty to Pentax has been shaken. Whether it is right move to leave or stay in an individual decision. This also spells opportunity to pick up a premium lens at a decent price if you plan on staying with it. Last edited by aleonx3; 09-25-2010 at 05:25 PM.

09-25-2010, 05:43 PM	#43
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by jpzk With all due respect to folks like Blende and Falconeye, who seem to be the only two people REALLY knowing what's going on (happened) with these Photokina announcements, I am again somewhat sceptical about ANY such "news", until they are confirmed by Pentax. In all due respect, I don't endorse Wieland's post in this point. I said that in "my" thread. So, please do *not* quote me in this context. As I said, I wasn't around when the above was said. But I know who said it ... I strongly recommend everybody to calm down until the message could be verified. Wieland's post was rather unfavourate. He should have been a bit more cautious, I guess. The damage is already produced, however, It's already swapped to other forums like photo.net -> FA Limiteds discontinued?! - Photo.net Pentax Forum I'll report in "my" thread what my reserach to verify this conversation snippet will deliver. EDIT: The remark about being cited incorrectly applies to jpzk's quote, not Nubi's original post. But I thank jpzk for giving me the opportunity to clarify this. Last edited by falconeye; 09-25-2010 at 06:05 PM.

09-25-2010, 05:53 PM	#44
Nubi Guest	Originally posted by falconeye In all due respect, I don't endorse Wieland's post in this point. I said that in "my" thread. So, please do *not* quote me in this context. As I said, I wasn't around when the above was said. But I know who said it ... I strongly recommend everybody to calm down until the message could be verified. Wieland's post was rather unfavourate. He should have been a bit more cautious, I guess. The damage is already produced, however, It's already swapped to other forums like photo.net -> FA Limiteds discontinued?! - Photo.net Pentax Forum I'll report in "my" thread what my reserach to verify this conversation snippet will deliver. I wholeheartedly agree that we ought to be very careful who and how we quote each other. I was very mindful of that as I chose how to phrase it. I hope you didn't have a problem with how I put it. Sorry if you did. Thank you again for your injection here. We look forward to hearing from you as to what you ended up concluding. It maybe just me, but this news rings true to me. It is so in line with what has been going on. Gee, wait until RH gets a hold of that. Oops, did I say a bad word?? Sorry. Last edited by Nubi; 09-25-2010 at 10:30 PM.

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09-25-2010, 03:33 PM	#31
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by troglodyte I can't believe this. The FA31 is the best AF lens ever made. It even competed very well with the 35mm summicron. Very sad. This makes my future ownership even more of a dream now! What do you mean? May be there will some appearing in the market place soon.. you may own one at a cheap price.

09-25-2010, 03:39 PM - 1 Like	#32
RawheaD Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: MA, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 831	Originally posted by rparmar If there is no future in the brand I will stop putting any money into it. I have already called on Pentax to produce more FA Limiteds. If instead they stop what is their signature lens line, I have lost interest. Sure I'll keep the lenses I have, sell off the junk or average stuff and buy someone else's products. No, this is nothing to do with full-frame. If you learned a little more about the lenses we are talking about you would have a clue. I know perfectly well what I'm talking about. I owned an FA 31 Lim and loved it to death. And as much as I loved it, I'm also a rational person, who can think, not only passionately about things, like you do about the FA limiteds, I also can think logically about things. And your call to Pentax to produce more FA Liimiteds, is one of the most illogical, irrational things one could do, when, again, Pentax doesn't have, and as far as we know, has no plans of making, a full frame DSLR. It has everything to do with FF. If you learned a little more about cameras, you would have a clue. Quote: Yep. Because I care about other people and live my life through conviviality and community. How can I write about and recommend a product that others do not have reasonable access to? Oh great way to debate; twist my words to make me sound like some uncompassionate jackass. What does being able to recommend it to other people have anything directly to do with what YOU choose to use? That's another absurdity from you. I've been an Apple/Mac fan since the mid-90s. I loved their philosophy, and I loved their aesthetics. During the late 90s and early 2000s, there was a time that Apple looked like they were going to die at any moment. I continued to use their computers. However, I wouldn't have recommended Macs to anyone at that point in time, and indeed, if anybody asked me what they should buy, I would always tell them to buy an HP or whatever. So, perhaps Pentax will become unrecommendable to you. Again, that doesn't explain why you would abandon the brand. You're talking all emotion, zero logic. Quote: You think incorrectly. Says you.

09-25-2010, 03:40 PM	#33
troglodyte Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Oz Posts: 408	aleon, I can only get one lens a year. I already got the da21 this year? I looked up on ebay the going price is $1300. B&H and adorama are out of stock. What price will it be next year?

09-25-2010, 03:43 PM	#34
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Please tell me that this is a bad dream. The discontinuation of the FA Limiteds makes NO sense at all. They fit perfectly on any Pentax APS-C. The 31, 43 and 77 are the best AF lenses ever made. Agan: why discontinue them? If there will never be a FF camera, then why not drop the K-mount (which is a FF mount) altogether. That would be the best way to shatter our dreams forever. It's OK with me if Pentax-Hoya is ruled by beancounters, but please keep your hands off our treasured Limiteds!

09-25-2010, 03:51 PM	#35
robbiec Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Cork Photos: Albums Posts: 1,882	Could this be a ploy to bump sales of the FA LTDs? Viral marketing and all that?

09-25-2010, 03:56 PM	#37
vsl3-e Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia Photos: Albums Posts: 116	I've heard of these lenses having "pixie dust" so i guess Pentax is forced to stop production since the pixie is dead. But seriously, I'm also dissapointed to hear these legendary lenses will be stopped, since I was hoping to acquire the FA77, and especially the FA31 one day. But thinking rationally, i guess the DA70 is a good replacement for the FA77, and if they replace the FA31 with some DA*28 f2 or similar, things won't be that bad in Pentaxland.:ugh:

09-25-2010, 04:01 PM	#38
TOUGEFC Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Brisbane Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,561	Its pretty sad if they stop production of the FA LTDS Ive got the MIJ FA77 and hands down its the best lens i own. And im buying the FA43 LTD next week. So i guess if you are planing to buy them the time is now, ive got a feeling these lenses are going to skyrocket in value.

09-25-2010, 04:09 PM	#39
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	Well I hope dropping the FA Ltds is just a rumor. As far as the new lenses go, we'll need to take a look to see what the 18-135 can produce and I'm wondering if the DC motor is the replacement of SDM that everyone has been looking for? The DA L 35 is obviously a kit lens, just a little different being a prime, and it comes in matching colors for the K-r. I doubt there was any expectation that someone would buy one for use on anything other than the K-r. Pentax needs to release a "proper" lens. I wish they would put out another DA F WR like they did with the 100 macro. Reproducing the FA 600mm in a DA F WR that is metal cased like the 100 would breath some life back into the lens lineup. As far as the K-5 goes, there were a number of threads started a few months ago asking for a new K-7 with the sensor out of the K-x. The K-5 could be much more than that combination. We'll just need to be patient to see if that is the case.

09-25-2010, 04:26 PM	#40
openyourap Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sydney Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 171	If true, I expect that they are going to be be reincarnated as DFA* or DFA Ltds, and re-released with much fanfare when the FF is dropped.

09-25-2010, 05:23 PM	#41
SteveM Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Island, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,294	Perhaps Pentax is doing us a favor by killing LBA for new lens sales.....

09-25-2010, 05:36 PM	#42
yeatzee Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Temecula Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,675	If the death of the trio means new better primes than im all for it

09-25-2010, 06:03 PM - 1 Like	#45
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Do we need to get so worked up over the comments of a German member? I had a Pentax user training session yesterday and we had the local Pentax agent present and there was no indication that any of the FA Limiteds were disappearing. I'll believe it when Pentax Japan comes out with a press release... Everyone can mitigate by going out and buying an FA Limited tomorrow, that way the sudden surge in demand will make the idea of discontinuing the FA Limiteds a bad one.