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12-17-2010, 11:13 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stringmike Quote
I picked one up earlier this year and for < $150 this is a fine zoom with a useful range. It is pretty sharp and has good color rendition.

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+1 and "macro" throughout it's whole zoom range.

NaCl(probably the best color rendition of all my lenses)H2O

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In starting this thread I was interested in discovering the undervalued gems and also flushing out the overpriced rarities with a not-quite deserved reputation or at least price tag.

Like the A20/2.8 going on ebay now. Will probably sell for over $500, but is it worth it?
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I'll give an example: the A100/2.8 Macro. In a moment of weakness (one of many) I paid well over $600 for this lens at KEH after reading how rare and great and super it was. Despite fabulous build quality, it simply wasn't in the same league as the Sigma 105/2.8 Macro I was replacing, and it wasn't even close to a good as the FA100/2.8 Macro that replaced them both. Wide open - which is where I use my macro much of the time - it was very soft and exhibited dramatic PF. The FA was half the price and is twice as good. My $0.02.

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I have a screwmount I'd like to suggest for the "legends" category, and a "lemon" to suggest:

SMC Takumar 135 f2.5 (part number 43812) is a 135 with a different optical formula than most Taks of this focal length. There have been threads on this elsewhere in PF that could explain the difference better than I can right now. But this lens has lovely, painterly bokeh and razor sharp critical focus that rivals the Super Tak 85mm 1.9. The color rendition of this piece is truly wonderful. It's a semi-rare lens, but when you do find it the price is often more in line with the less capable 135mm 3.5 lenses. A great lens that rarely is talked about, but should not be missed.

I might get some negative feedback on this one, but I suggest that an overrated lens might be the Zenitar 16mm 2.8. I had one in K-mount and while I will agree there is a HUGE cool factor with having Russian lenses (I'd still like a Jupiter 9) this lens is really not all that good compared to other wide primes. The color rendition was always strange to me and while things were never badly soft, they were never very sharp either. The funky, totally irreplaceable lens cap was a downside and there was a sense that quality control was quite spotty. I got mine for a song so I was okay with it, but I'm seeing this lens going for 250 USD from Amazon vendors. That price makes this lens a lemon in my opinion.

Interesting thread, thanks to the OP.

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We aren't going as far back, but the F 70-210 seems to really punch above it's weight.
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A Legend is the A* 200mm 4.0 ED Macro.
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A Legend is the A* 200mm 4.0 ED Macro.
True, but I find you really need a flash or a tripod otherwise I can't keep the hands steady enough.

I know a couple of people who coveted this lens for ages but when finally got it couldn't get rid of it quickly enough.

That said with a flash (and sometimes also tripod) it gives great images. If you need the distance between yourself and the macro subject, this is the lens no doubt. Otherwise the lowly Tammy 90/2.8 does the job pretty well IMO.
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I'm with Mike on the A 35-105mm--it's a very special lens.

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I vote for:

A28/2 - An excellent fast 'normal' lens on a DSLR. It's very sharp with excellent IQ. I suspect the reason why there is so little written about this lens is because it is so rare.

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We aren't going as far back, but the F 70-210 seems to really punch above it's weight.
Maybe so, but I think the A70-210/4 was superior - perhaps the best pentax telephoto zoom in that range ever - other than the later (and much more expensive) FA80-200/F2.8.

Otherwise, the A28-135/4 is a lens that used to be well regarded back in the film days. It was perhaps the ultimate 'walk around' lens (if you didn't mind the weight!). I'd get one now if not for the fact that the SR system can't work properly with pre-autofocus zooms.

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K35/3.5

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Legends among legacy lenses? I'm quite surprised nobody named the obvious:
- K/A50/1.2 (pricey but excellent)
- K85/1.8 (pricey but excellent)
- K135/2.5 (fairly priced)
- A*135/1.8
- A*85/1.4 (pricey but excellent)
- K28/3.5
- K28/2


I think those are the legends of K land. Any of those above are well regarded and reportedly worth every penny one pays for them. Just shame I only have one

M85? Great lens if you ask me abut I think overall 77 is teeny weeny bit better. But I would love to try 85/1.8 or A*85/1.4
For a long time people raved about the K35/3.5 and it is my all-time favorite lens. A few years ago they regularly went for $349 at auction and regularly were sniped. Nowe they can be had between $89 - $129.

Amazing color rendition and very sharp.
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A70-210/4 was superior
I've yet to try it, but the specs look very promising. In the case of a tele-zoom, I think the convenience of SR and autofocus would outshine pure IQ when it comes to nailing a shot at 200mm. But I'm just not very good .
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I've yet to try it, but the specs look very promising. In the case of a tele-zoom, I think the convenience of SR and autofocus would outshine pure IQ when it comes to nailing a shot at 200mm. But I'm just not very good .
Yes, I agree, but I had a A70-210/4 and if you got the focus right it gave superb results with a beautiful smooth bokeh.

Here are some test shots I took back in 2004 with my istD and the A70-210/4 the day it arrived in the post:
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Daniel I understand you want to go ebay-classic shopping so I'll recommend you some lenses with which I want to drive the price up even more :-)

The obvious bargain/quality lens is the M42 Helios 44-XXX 58mm f/2 lens. It was produced by the millions so it'll never be expensive (except from the usual lunatic ebay sellers).

Not to be forgotten should be the M42(K) (S-M-C) (SMC) Takumar 55mm f/1.8. Bites more than the Helios but the Helios is better if you are into portraits imo.

Sonnar: "Sonne" means sun in english and that's where Sonnar is coming from. The MC 135 is the longer brother of the 35 Flek, this thing has got the near distance, the colors, the bokeh and the full open rendering. It is a photog's lens because it is tiny and comes with a pull-out lenshood, so it is really usable in the field. There is a 135 Zebra, an alu version (love it), but the MC is king.


M42 CZJ MC 135/3.5 Sonnar on K100D @f/3.5 Pleasant, silent bokeh is good for my eyes :-)

One more sonnar, a lens which should not fit by any means on a Pentax DSLR because its image circle is somewhat ten times that of APS-C but still is a marvel, the P6 180mm f/2.8 Sonnar. I only have a beat-up Zebra version and it delivers. A lot of build spread with this lens according to various sources. Watch out for the M42 adapter to come with the lens, otherwise expect to pay double.


The king of bokeh according to Rick Denney. P6 CZJ Zebra Sonnar 180/2.8 (@f/4?) + M42 adapter on K100D

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beautiful smooth bokeh
Wow! Good stuff!
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A strinking difference is the price for the K85/1.8 and the K135/2.5.
The K135 goes for about 110, whereas the K85 goes for around 300 .
The same applies to the M42 versions of these lenses.
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