Quote: Paperbag:Yes and that makes the comparison rather dubious. I like the compromise of ASP-C, but I'm not so sure if I would want to go smaller.
Except for the viewfinder, I like the compromises of crop sensor too.
Quote: I think the 4/3rds system is wonderful if you like sharp, large DOF shots. However the larger sensor sizes allow for more creativity, which I quite value. I really don't think the kit lens is as bad as people make it out to be... it is very easy to blame a cheap lens for a bad shots, though .
I do not think the 4/3rds systems are wonderful: they are too close to P & S world for me, where DOF reigns. However, the beautiful glass, especially in
mico 4/3rds, which is lighter and still faster, in some cases, has an allure.
For me, the kit lens is, in fact, useless. I use the focal range, to landscape. I bought the K20d body only, and picked up a Tamron 17-50mm, because I was fully aware of the compromises involved with the Kit. Years later, I took comparison shots with the 2 lenses, because I read so much about how the Kit can compete with more expensive lenses, within a restricted set of parameters, of course. So I shot the 2 lenses, at f8, in good light--identical scenes. The results were amazing: The Tamron outresolved the Kit--in a big way. This was particularly evident at infinity focus, in detailed subjects like trees. At %100, the difference was obviously even more magnified. The Kit, in no way for what I do with it, can compete with a lens far more expensive than it--which is what one would expect. So why people make it their cross to bear to try and sell the Kit as more than this is beyond me. Up close, the kit can get some nice detailed shots--no doubt, but, again, this does nothing for my needs in a lens of this focal range.
I am not shooting with a 14+MP camera, so that I can mount a lens which has no business being on the mount in the first place. Could I get nice shots with the Kit--of course I could, but I can get even better ones with better glass--why waste my time with a lens which was designed and is packaged, as a means to an end, not an end in itself. The lens is designed & packaged for noobies. It allows them to shoot, see what they like, and be better positioned to invest in good glass as a result of the Kit experience. It was not made to compete with glass far more expensive than it.
Quote: Now I really noticed a difference when I bought my first prime, the A 28mm f2.8, in comparison to the kit lens... but the quality of the photographs have much more to do with me than the lens, and after a year of not touching the thing, I'm beginning to find that many of the things I was unhappy about with the kit lens was actually due to me.
Your confession is fine, but has no business here in a response to me. Remember, I bought the Kit lens recently--never owned one initially. All of my bad shots in photography were not experienced with a Kit, and are still not done with the Kit. I bought the Kit, when I knew what I was doing, out of curiosity, to see what it actually can do. Now I have seen, and to be honest, though my expectations are usually reasonable in such matters, the Kit failed them miserably within my shooting parameters.
Quote: The whole DOF limitation of the kit is easily remedied with a rather inexpensive 50mm f1.7, anyways, or one of the Tamron 2.8 zooms. Considering this is the largest fault of the kit lens (which is true of all kit lenses), it's really not so bad at all.
I owned close to 20 fast 50s--long before I owned the Kit. The 18-55mm focal range is not one I use for DOF creativity, not even with my Tamron 17-50 2.8. I like longer focal lengths for portrait work, which is when DOF comes into play for me.