Guess the lens?

axl · 05-04-2011, 04:25 AM

based on the hints and the shots my wild guess would be Helios 58/2

eddie1960 · 05-04-2011, 09:12 AM

Based on the OOF I agree with Axl, looks like a Helios to me as well

Siegfried · 05-04-2011, 10:18 AM

Gents,
right spot on! I can only add that the full name is MC Helios 44-4 by KMZ.

Ok, here goes another one:

One image (the faded one) is ist DS jpg preview from it's PEF product and the other (the one with more contrast) is made from PDCU -> tiff -> DxO -> jpg conversion chain. In either way all settings were zeroed to defaults.

Zig

axl · 05-04-2011, 11:11 AM

quite busy OOF, is it Penax glass or 3rd party?

Siegfried · 05-04-2011, 12:39 PM

axl,
that's the 3rd party lens. It goes with both european and japanese roots in its design and background.

Zig

Pentaxor · 05-04-2011, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by axl

Thanks, yes, it's my first born. 5 days old now

congratulations Peter. is it a boy or a girl?

hoanpham · 05-05-2011, 02:29 AM

This one too is difficult ;-)
I don't have many 3rd party lenses in past or present.

Also I have a request for this thread:
If possible, could you post the photos that can display typical characteristic(s) of a lens. May be several photos of different scenes that can bring the uniqueness.
No post processing to give a hint of original rending/sharpness. Since it is a guess-lens game, I also request for camera body type, flash setting if any, filter if any, tele-converter/tubes if any.

Hey, any hint will help - it's not a good feeling to get stuck ;-)

axl · 05-05-2011, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Siegfried

axl,
that's the 3rd party lens. It goes with both european and japanese roots in its design and background.

Zig

My first guess was adapted Minolta MD Rokkor lens but thay are Japanesse AFAIK, but with both EU and JAP roots? Samsung/Schneider? Or perhaps some adapted Cosina Contax? Just guessing here, any more hints?

axl · 05-05-2011, 02:45 AM

Strike Samsung off, they are Korean but hang on, isn't Cosina manufactoring Voigtlander lenses? In which case Ultron 40/2 pops into mind...

Siegfried · 05-05-2011, 06:15 AM

hoanpham,
that shot was taken with ist DS, no flash or teleconverter used. Both in-cam jpg as well as PEF processed are provided just in case.

axl,
Samsung/Schneider can not be counted since these babies are nothing more but re-badged Pentax products. They do not have any international roots in design (but have'em in background if badge is considered to be the part of one).

Ok, here's a hint: when guessing the european roots of this lens you only think about Germany - and this is wrong. There were some other countries that were developing and manufacturing photographic lens, though in this particular case they (it) no longer do. That company that represents those EU roots is still in business, but long time ago was acquired by very large corporation (just like Pentax went to Hoya) and now goes on with optics for cinema, science and military markets.
The 2nd hint: this lens came with factory PK-AF mount and no adapter was used nor this lens was adapter or modded in any way.
The 3rd hint: I believe you'll come up with some certain guess very shortly (and I think it gonna be very close to the right answer), but this particular lens isn't that famous or relatively well-known as ones that come to your mind after those two hints above.

Zig

**Kerrowdown** · 05-05-2011, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by axl

Thanks, yes, it's my first born. 5 days old now

Congratulations on the new arrival.

But I note the glass in the picture is empty.

just remind me not to go out celebrating (wetting the babies head) with you.

BTW I didn't have a clue about the lens used.

eddie1960 · 05-05-2011, 07:09 AM

based on the hints and the fov i'll guess a zeiss contax 35 2.8 which i believe comes from the cosina partnership

axl · 05-05-2011, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

based on the hints and the fov i'll guess a zeiss contax 35 2.8 which i believe comes from the cosina partnership

yes buy zeiss it German and is still manufactures photographic lenses

axl · 05-05-2011, 07:58 AM

puzzled by this one

Siegfried · 05-05-2011, 10:05 AM

Gents,
Agreed, this was a tough one. Ok, rabbit's out:

the lens: Tokina AT-X AF270
the EU roots: Angenieux, France
the corporation: Thales
the famous and/or relatively well-known brothers and sisters: Angenieux and Tokina AT-X 28-70/2.6-2.8, Tokina AT-X 270PRO, Tokina AT-X 270SV, Tokina AT-X 280PRO

That shot was taken at 70/3.2 setting in a point-and-shoot way - to be honest I was really surprised it turned out any good at all, I had no time for scene adjustments nor any other stuff to twist and set.

Zig

P.S.
I'd say that if it were some Voigtlander the colors would be more punchy.

05-05-2011, 06:15 AM	#40
Siegfried Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: in a middle of nowhere Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 165	hoanpham, that shot was taken with ist DS, no flash or teleconverter used. Both in-cam jpg as well as PEF processed are provided just in case. axl, Samsung/Schneider can not be counted since these babies are nothing more but re-badged Pentax products. They do not have any international roots in design (but have'em in background if badge is considered to be the part of one). Ok, here's a hint: when guessing the european roots of this lens you only think about Germany - and this is wrong. There were some other countries that were developing and manufacturing photographic lens, though in this particular case they (it) no longer do. That company that represents those EU roots is still in business, but long time ago was acquired by very large corporation (just like Pentax went to Hoya) and now goes on with optics for cinema, science and military markets. The 2nd hint: this lens came with factory PK-AF mount and no adapter was used nor this lens was adapter or modded in any way. The 3rd hint: I believe you'll come up with some certain guess very shortly (and I think it gonna be very close to the right answer), but this particular lens isn't that famous or relatively well-known as ones that come to your mind after those two hints above. Zig Last edited by Siegfried; 05-05-2011 at 06:22 AM.

05-05-2011, 10:05 AM	#45
Siegfried Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: in a middle of nowhere Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 165	Gents, Agreed, this was a tough one. Ok, rabbit's out: the lens: Tokina AT-X AF270 the EU roots: Angenieux, France the corporation: Thales the famous and/or relatively well-known brothers and sisters: Angenieux and Tokina AT-X 28-70/2.6-2.8, Tokina AT-X 270PRO, Tokina AT-X 270SV, Tokina AT-X 280PRO That shot was taken at 70/3.2 setting in a point-and-shoot way - to be honest I was really surprised it turned out any good at all, I had no time for scene adjustments nor any other stuff to twist and set. Zig P.S. I'd say that if it were some Voigtlander the colors would be more punchy. Last edited by Siegfried; 05-05-2011 at 10:19 AM.

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05-04-2011, 04:25 AM	#31
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	based on the hints and the shots my wild guess would be Helios 58/2

05-04-2011, 09:12 AM	#32
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Based on the OOF I agree with Axl, looks like a Helios to me as well

05-04-2011, 10:18 AM	#33
Siegfried Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: in a middle of nowhere Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 165	Gents, right spot on! I can only add that the full name is MC Helios 44-4 by KMZ. Ok, here goes another one: One image (the faded one) is ist DS jpg preview from it's PEF product and the other (the one with more contrast) is made from PDCU -> tiff -> DxO -> jpg conversion chain. In either way all settings were zeroed to defaults. Zig

05-04-2011, 11:11 AM	#34
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	quite busy OOF, is it Penax glass or 3rd party?

05-04-2011, 12:39 PM	#35
Siegfried Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: in a middle of nowhere Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 165	axl, that's the 3rd party lens. It goes with both european and japanese roots in its design and background. Zig

05-04-2011, 06:39 PM	#36
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by axl Thanks, yes, it's my first born. 5 days old now congratulations Peter. is it a boy or a girl?

05-05-2011, 02:29 AM	#37
hoanpham Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Strand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,366	This one too is difficult ;-) I don't have many 3rd party lenses in past or present. Also I have a request for this thread: If possible, could you post the photos that can display typical characteristic(s) of a lens. May be several photos of different scenes that can bring the uniqueness. No post processing to give a hint of original rending/sharpness. Since it is a guess-lens game, I also request for camera body type, flash setting if any, filter if any, tele-converter/tubes if any. Hey, any hint will help - it's not a good feeling to get stuck ;-)

05-05-2011, 02:41 AM	#38
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by Siegfried axl, that's the 3rd party lens. It goes with both european and japanese roots in its design and background. Zig My first guess was adapted Minolta MD Rokkor lens but thay are Japanesse AFAIK, but with both EU and JAP roots? Samsung/Schneider? Or perhaps some adapted Cosina Contax? Just guessing here, any more hints?

05-05-2011, 02:45 AM	#39
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Strike Samsung off, they are Korean but hang on, isn't Cosina manufactoring Voigtlander lenses? In which case Ultron 40/2 pops into mind...

05-05-2011, 06:42 AM	#41
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,835	Originally posted by axl Thanks, yes, it's my first born. 5 days old now Congratulations on the new arrival. But I note the glass in the picture is empty. just remind me not to go out celebrating (wetting the babies head) with you. BTW I didn't have a clue about the lens used.

05-05-2011, 07:09 AM	#42
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	based on the hints and the fov i'll guess a zeiss contax 35 2.8 which i believe comes from the cosina partnership

05-05-2011, 07:54 AM	#43
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	Originally posted by eddie1960 based on the hints and the fov i'll guess a zeiss contax 35 2.8 which i believe comes from the cosina partnership yes buy zeiss it German and is still manufactures photographic lenses

05-05-2011, 07:58 AM	#44
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	puzzled by this one