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01-07-2011, 11:10 PM   #31
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Figured I could make a few contributions here...First a sampler of shots on 35mm (FF) film for the traditionalists. (Sorry, I don't have any truly long glass...)
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Thanks Steve. I see all your shots were 24mm and above in APS-C format. Would you consider 24mm a workable FL to settle on for one's lowest FL?

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Les3547: Do you have examples? I would love to see something.
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Sure, here are some examples--I like 24mm on crop sensor because it best seems to capture what I am after.










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...And a few on APS-C (K10D)...


16mm Fisheye on APS-C



21mm on APS-C



31mm on APS-C



35mm on APS-C



77mm on APS-C



80mm on APS-C



120mm on APS-C




150mm on APS-C



I have some others on 6x7cm and 4x5 film, but those are less pertinent and useful for most forum members...


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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
How about if you got to choose 2 focal lengths under 35mm, what would they be?
For film or APS-C?

For 35mm film, it would have to be 28mm and 24mm (I don't currently have a 24mm film lens, but may yet get one). 35mm is quite workable, but a 28 is more versatile.


For APS-C, I would say 12mm or 15 in a rectilinear or 16 in a fisheye and 18mm or 20mm.


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QuoteOriginally posted by les3547 Quote
Thanks Steve. I see all your shots were 24mm and above in APS-C format. Would you consider 24mm a workable FL to settle on for one's lowest FL?
I think you mean 35mm film, not APS-C. I do use the 16mm fisheye for film, but the next step up is my 28mm. I don't have a 24mm lens for FF film, but have often thought that one would be very useful. I have been surprised at how nice the 16mm fisheye is for landscape film work. I have done several shots that would not have "worked" any other way except for the fisheye and its non-rectilinear projection.


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Really interesting topic... I find landscapes one of the most interesting subjects to capture, and most challenging to do well. All lengths are for crop-sensors.

I have taken a few in the 80-200mm range, but my most-used focal length for this work has been 28mm. I find it much easier to work with, as far as composition is concerned, than the wider lengths. I have recently acquired a 15mm lens, which is simply wonderful, but HARD to work with. Super wide angles give a very distinct perspective of a scene, which can be stunning, but also hard to really use properly (as opposed to in the gimmick sense). I have not wrapped my head around it yet.

My super wide shots (18 and 15mm respectively) are not that good, but I do also use them for landscapes occasionally. In the end they are useful for added drama, but it is tough to find a scene which really warrants "taking it all in". 28mm lets me be more selective on what I focus on.

If I had to use only one, 28mm would be the one.

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I'm surprised . . . I like the first pic a lot. Below 35, you'd choose a 12mm FL to live with?
It would have to be the most dramatic FL I've worked with, and on the 12-24 the distortion at 12mm is very well controlled (except if people end up on the edges of the frame...)

I'm not sure if any other wide angle focal length takes my fancy for the big landscapes, but it goes without saying that the scene determines the required focal length. If I cannot get a decent vantage point or get close enough to the landscape I'm interested in, I'll need to either zoom in or choose a longer lens (I've even gone for a 500mm landscape shot from the top of a range down onto the highway over 500m from the vantage point...)
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This is an interesting subject. I don't do landscapes much and, when I do, I choose FL based on the subject matter and vantage point and, frequently, the particular qualities of the lenses at hand (as in, "Is this a scene I can shoot with an FA Ltd?" ;~).

I really don't think of my UWAs as landscape lenses in the vista sense: I tend use them for tighter shots of close-in details. I guess I agree with Paperbag that 28mm is sort of the sweet spot but, since I don't have a 28mm lens, that means either 24mm or 31mm.

If I woke up in the morning with the thought, "I'm going to go shoot me some landscapes!" I'd take the 24mm, 31mm & 43mm &/or the Sigma 24-60mm (if I hadn't sold it.)

I should make clear that I'm thinking in cropped-sensor terms--not FF.

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So what was your final solution for landscapes?
I haven't decided on a final solution. I took the 10-20 on a motorcycle tour around Lakes Michigan and Superior, and looking back, used it most at 20mm, even cropping a bit from there. It has since been sold.

Here's a shot at 20mm



And one at 11mm



The DA 35 also saw a lot of use, and will still be used as a landscape lens when the focal length works, with the kit 18-55 filling in the wider gaps.

I think I will eventually buy the DA 21 Ltd. I'm comfortable with that FOV on APS-C and it should compliment the DA 35 as a great nature/landscape combination. 15 may be better for indoor architectural work but that is about 0.5% of what I shoot
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So, what is your favorite focal length (if you had to choose one) for landscapes?
90 on aps-c

that being said i would really love to get my hands on a 15 ltd!

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Sure, here are some examples--I like 24mm on crop sensor because it best seems to capture what I am after.
I like that focal length too, and right now have chance to buy a Zeiss 25mm, which is partly why I am asking people who shoot landscapes what focal length they rely on most. I did get the point someone made that a photo situation should dictate what lens is chosen, but for the kind of lenses I like below 35mm (Zeiss) I can't afford too many of them! I worry a bit that the 25mm is too close to the 35mm, but it does seem that the lower the focal length, the more difference a few millimeters make.
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Like others have said "it depends"

One of the beauties of the DSLR system is that you are not relegated to one lens. You get to match the lens to the subject. I've shot landscapes from a 8mm fisheye thru to 210mm.
That said "much" of my landscape shots have been in the range of 12 to 35mm just because that's how much I want to take in. BTW there is a much bigger difference in the shot in the lower focal lengths than there is in the longer ones, ie the difference between 12mm and 24mm is much greater than the difference between 90mm and 135mm.
Here is a good comparison between 12mm and 24mm, both taken with the DA 12-24mm f/4.0
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24mm

note that the greenhouse misters were turned on, that is what is causing the fog.

I've frequently turned to my trusty Zenitar 16mm fisheye for landscapes:


Other times I turn to my well used pentax A 35-105; this shot was most likely taken at 35mm


But this one was taken at 90mm


I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is no one focal length or even a range of focal lengths that landscape photography falls into. That said, much landscape work is done between 12mm and 35mm on a APS-C sized sensor. If you forced me to make a pick of two "landscape" lenses, I'd take the Pentax DA 12-24 and the Pentax FA 20-35.

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Thanks everyone for your input and lovely pictures, great stuff. I think you all have opened my mind to the 12-24 zoom. If I am able to buy the Zeiss 25mm as I plan, the DA 12-24 should fill in great below 25mm for all my wide angle needs. Now all I have left to do is learn how to use all this great stuff!

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les3547: I like that focal length too, and right now have chance to buy a Zeiss 25mm, which is partly why I am asking people who shoot landscapes what focal length they rely on most. I did get the point someone made that a photo situation should dictate what lens is chosen, but for the kind of lenses I like below 35mm (Zeiss) I can't afford too many of them! I worry a bit that the 25mm is too close to the 35mm, but it does seem that the lower the focal length, the more difference a few millimeters make. Goood luck to you!
I think you would do well with the 25mm Zeiss or the 12-24 Pentax, but the Pentax will be more versatile. I do not think 25mm is too close to 35mm--my 2 cents. Yes, I agree, a few millimeters make a big difference as you start getting real wide. For example, here are a couple @ 10mm:





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QuoteOriginally posted by Jewelltrail Quote
I think you would do well with the 25mm Zeiss or the 12-24 Pentax, but the Pentax will be more versatile. I do not think 25mm is too close to 35mm--my 2 cents. Yes, I agree, a few millimeters make a big difference as you start getting real wide. For example, here are a couple @ 10mm:




Great shots jewel, you have a real eye for wide.

I think overall, the 12-24 range is going to be the most useful, but if you have the longer stuff already, a 10-20 is quite a unique looking tool.
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