Originally posted by Andi Lo I'd actually argue that portrait is more of a specialist thing vs wide angle... There are way more copies of Pentax 28mm lenses compared to 85mm. I'm more inclined to just1moredave's suggestion that it will need to be a 17/2.8 (cheap DA 15), 35/2.4 (cheap DA 35/ FA 31), and 90/3.2 (cheap FA 100) if pentax really want to make an APS-C equivalent to the old days. Unless the 50/1.7 can be made to MRSP of $150, I don't see why we need to have it.
I do agree that a cheap FA 77 would be nice as well to keep up with the joneses. Although it should be more like 85/2, rather than 2.8, but then it would compete with DA 70....
The 17mm should probably be a bit slower so that it doesnt compete with DA 15 imo. I think a 17/4 is actually ok as long as it's better than other Pentax zooms at that range.
The speeds of these lenses is only half of the battle... more important is rendering.
This is why the 50 1.7 is not really similar to the 50 1.4... you might use them mostly at the same aperture, but they render completely different.
It would not be hard at all to produce a lens that is not as sharp, colourful, etc. as the DA 15.
I still think a wide angle prime is too specialty for this line, though. For the most part one of the consumer zooms would do a very good job. I think these primes should be focused on speed at a good price (even if they aren't ultra-fast).
I actually picked 85mm because it was an old lens design, therefore cutting down on R&D. Another option would be a cheap 135mm f2 - a cheap tele prime.
However the 3 standards - 35, 50, and 85, are pretty useful, which is why I went with them. 85mm on digital isn't really a strict portrait length either, it's also great for general telephoto / action with more speed than one of the zooms. it could be 85, 90, 100, or 135 in my books... as long as it is a telephoto. I made the 85 f2.8 so that it would look inferior on paper to the DA 70... even though I know that it would be easy to make an 85mm lens that preforms worse than the 70 no matter the aperture
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The FA ltds. are untouchable, and the DA ltds are incredibly unique offerings on digital cameras. The DA L prime set could be cheap, plastic, no hood included offerings that would serve as a step into the LTDs.
I also think that the 50mm 1.7 needs to exist. I think it's just a great lens.