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SSGGeezer · 06-01-2018, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

The second (stopped down) one. The background is still smooth, but gives context without being as distracting in my opinion.

That was my opinion when I saw the difference looking back through old images, (and deleting a lot of trash,) I thought that the buildings being a bit more recognizable helped. I am not saying it is a good image but I love playing with my FA 77.

swanlefitte · 06-01-2018, 08:02 PM - **1 Like**

My opinion too. The context trumps in this case.

**twilhelm** · 06-01-2018, 08:45 PM

I have to agree. The second one has just enough oof area.

swanlefitte · 06-01-2018, 09:05 PM

I want to state again the bokeh is better in the first. The context of buildings makes the second better. Exclude the buildings and number one wins hands down. Thus we are talking too different points. Like all of photography it is a compromise in this case abstraction -detail vs smoothness.

Sandy Hancock · 06-02-2018, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by swanlefitte

I want to state again the bokeh is better in the first.

I would say the bokeh is blurrier in the first - that does not necessarily make it better. In the second the bokeh serves the subject rather than distracts from it. We have to remember what the photograph is OF.

Of course, this opinion is entirely subjective

**acoufap** · 06-02-2018, 12:58 AM - **7 Likes**

---------- Post added 2018-06-02 at 09:12 ----------

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

That was my opinion when I saw the difference looking back through old images, (and deleting a lot of trash,) I thought that the buildings being a bit more recognizable helped. I am not saying it is a good image but I love playing with my FA 77.

Bokeh or blurryness shouldn't be self purpose. So IMO everything depends on what you as the photographer intended to show.

Other posters already stated they would prefer the second image because it shows the context more clearly. I also feel that the context is important here. So my favorite also is umber 2. If the out of focus areas in this image would distract somehow I guess I'd prefer the first.

**Hattifnatt** · 06-02-2018, 02:19 AM - **10 Likes**

it seems that I will have to give up and embrace flowers! here's some with Sigma 35mm Art.

**aslyfox** · 06-02-2018, 03:19 AM - **2 Likes**

choices, choices, choices

bug in flight or pollinators in action or the Bokeh Club

guess which one won

SOC

**WPRESTO** · 06-02-2018, 04:20 AM - **5 Likes**

Honeysuckle with some graded bokeh, and lilac ("bloomerang") with mostly either in focus or totally bokehed.

FreeSpirit9 · 06-02-2018, 04:45 AM - **11 Likes**

---------- Post added 06-02-18 at 09:46 PM ----------

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

Which do you prefer bokeh wise out of these two shots. Chicken town Bokeh wide open with my FA 77 and at f5 with the same lens. Looking from the Chicken statue towards Main Street in Belfast, Maine.

Definitely the second one for me.

**aslyfox** · 06-02-2018, 04:56 AM - **9 Likes**

cute

now an adult Asian Eagle Owl

FreeSpirit9 · 06-02-2018, 05:06 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Aslyfox

now an adult Asian Eagle Owl

Powerful Owl with Fruit Bat in her claws

.

Fruit Bats: The largest attain a wingspan of 1.7 m (5.6 ft), and weigh as much as 1.6 kg (3.5 lb).

**Riggomatic** · 06-02-2018, 06:36 AM - **6 Likes**

Peony on the rocks

SMC-K 24mm f2.8 on a K-5

A bluebird among the sticks (x-posted in the backyard birds thread)
SMC-K 300mm f4

**WPRESTO** · 06-02-2018, 07:04 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by FreeSpirit9

.Fruit Bats: The largest attain a wingspan of 1.7 m (5.6 ft), and weigh as much as 1.6 kg (3.5 lb.)

Anecdote that reveals something interesting about fruit bats. Disney's Animal Kingdom has fruit bats on display. You enter and leave a shelter through double doors. One side of the building has a viewing area that extends the entire length of the building, all other walls are solid = no windows. The bats are outside, their enclosure is walled in all around and covered by netting at the top that allows sunlight & air to circulate freely. There is NO BARRIER WHATEVER between the bats and the visitor view area. - no glass, no bars, no fence, no netting. Apparently the bats will not enter a dark enclosure or space, the viewing area perhaps looking to them like a large cave. Considering the behavior of Microchiroptera, nocturnal and forming colonies of ten million or more in deep caves, the Megachiroptera behavior is about as diametrically opposite as it could be.

**DW58** · 06-02-2018, 07:19 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by SSGGeezer

Which do you prefer bokeh wise out of these two shots. Chicken town Bokeh wide open with my FA 77 and at f5 with the same lens. Looking from the Chicken statue towards Main Street in Belfast, Maine.

My two cents. For me the bokeh in the first image is so blurry as to be a distraction. The 2nd image is more pleasing to look at. Something else the 2nd image has going for it is that there is no reflection of light from the wet road between the chicken and the building. Makes a difference.

06-02-2018, 12:58 AM - 7 Likes	#11586
acoufap Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Munich, Germany Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,191	---------- Post added 2018-06-02 at 09:12 ---------- Originally posted by SSGGeezer That was my opinion when I saw the difference looking back through old images, (and deleting a lot of trash,) I thought that the buildings being a bit more recognizable helped. I am not saying it is a good image but I love playing with my FA 77. Bokeh or blurryness shouldn't be self purpose. So IMO everything depends on what you as the photographer intended to show. Other posters already stated they would prefer the second image because it shows the context more clearly. I also feel that the context is important here. So my favorite also is umber 2. If the out of focus areas in this image would distract somehow I guess I'd prefer the first. Last edited by acoufap; 06-02-2018 at 01:13 AM.

06-02-2018, 04:45 AM - 11 Likes	#11590
FreeSpirit9 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Queensland, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 557	Some baby Powerful Owl bokeh ---------- Post added 06-02-18 at 09:46 PM ---------- Originally posted by SSGGeezer Which do you prefer bokeh wise out of these two shots. Chicken town Bokeh wide open with my FA 77 and at f5 with the same lens. Looking from the Chicken statue towards Main Street in Belfast, Maine. Definitely the second one for me.

06-02-2018, 05:06 AM - 2 Likes	#11592
FreeSpirit9 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Queensland, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 557	Originally posted by Aslyfox now an adult Asian Eagle Owl Powerful Owl with Fruit Bat in her claws . Fruit Bats: The largest attain a wingspan of 1.7 m (5.6 ft), and weigh as much as 1.6 kg (3.5 lb). Last edited by FreeSpirit9; 06-02-2018 at 02:01 PM.

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06-01-2018, 07:51 PM	#11581
SSGGeezer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Indiana, U.S. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,845	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock The second (stopped down) one. The background is still smooth, but gives context without being as distracting in my opinion. That was my opinion when I saw the difference looking back through old images, (and deleting a lot of trash,) I thought that the buildings being a bit more recognizable helped. I am not saying it is a good image but I love playing with my FA 77.

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swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	My opinion too. The context trumps in this case.

06-01-2018, 08:45 PM	#11583
twilhelm Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Florida Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,369	I have to agree. The second one has just enough oof area.

06-01-2018, 09:05 PM	#11584
swanlefitte Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Location: Minneapolis Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,068	I want to state again the bokeh is better in the first. The context of buildings makes the second better. Exclude the buildings and number one wins hands down. Thus we are talking too different points. Like all of photography it is a compromise in this case abstraction -detail vs smoothness.

06-02-2018, 12:51 AM	#11585
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,276	Originally posted by swanlefitte I want to state again the bokeh is better in the first. I would say the bokeh is blurrier in the first - that does not necessarily make it better. In the second the bokeh serves the subject rather than distracts from it. We have to remember what the photograph is OF. Of course, this opinion is entirely subjective

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Hattifnatt Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bucharest Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,626	it seems that I will have to give up and embrace flowers! here's some with Sigma 35mm Art.

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Riggomatic Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Auburn, Indiana Photos: Albums Posts: 3,886	Peony on the rocks SMC-K 24mm f2.8 on a K-5 A bluebird among the sticks (x-posted in the backyard birds thread) SMC-K 300mm f4

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WPRESTO Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Massachusetts Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 59,144	Originally posted by FreeSpirit9 .Fruit Bats: The largest attain a wingspan of 1.7 m (5.6 ft), and weigh as much as 1.6 kg (3.5 lb.) Anecdote that reveals something interesting about fruit bats. Disney's Animal Kingdom has fruit bats on display. You enter and leave a shelter through double doors. One side of the building has a viewing area that extends the entire length of the building, all other walls are solid = no windows. The bats are outside, their enclosure is walled in all around and covered by netting at the top that allows sunlight & air to circulate freely. There is NO BARRIER WHATEVER between the bats and the visitor view area. - no glass, no bars, no fence, no netting. Apparently the bats will not enter a dark enclosure or space, the viewing area perhaps looking to them like a large cave. Considering the behavior of Microchiroptera, nocturnal and forming colonies of ten million or more in deep caves, the Megachiroptera behavior is about as diametrically opposite as it could be.

06-02-2018, 07:19 AM - 1 Like	#11595
DW58 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Rural Oregon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,083	Originally posted by SSGGeezer Which do you prefer bokeh wise out of these two shots. Chicken town Bokeh wide open with my FA 77 and at f5 with the same lens. Looking from the Chicken statue towards Main Street in Belfast, Maine. My two cents. For me the bokeh in the first image is so blurry as to be a distraction. The 2nd image is more pleasing to look at. Something else the 2nd image has going for it is that there is no reflection of light from the wet road between the chicken and the building. Makes a difference.

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