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02-20-2011, 05:54 PM   #16
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+1 for DA 12-24.

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Don't worry, I won't leave the 100mm at home! I'm actually moving to Vancouver, so I'll be taking everything. I assume you were probably meaning that figuratively though, and I'll certainly keep it in mind for landscapes too. I know some landscapes will work with 100mm, I just figure in general it's very inflexible for them.

Maybe I could get the 12-24 and the 40. The 40 sounds really nice, and as I said, I'm not really happy with the 28-75mm's quality. The 40 would round out the 12-24 and 100 pretty nicely, as well as being a tiny limited which could be very handy at times. And the 12-24 would certainly cover the wide angle very nicely, if it really is so high quality as everyone seems to be saying!
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On film: I started with film in the late 1950's. I'd given up film by the mid 1980's, early in my career as a software engineer. But I've been getting back into film in the last couple years, as eBay lot-buying sprees brought me film cameras that I just had to use. There's still stuff that film can do that digital can't, at least not reasonably. Especially big film. That's why I mentioned the tonal gradations that digital just can't mimic.

On landscapes: Many aspire to produce brilliant calendar-quality or Arizona Highways pictures. I personally find them nice but boring -- they've been DONE already! I've seen some awesome artistic work that eschews infinite detail, that deals with foggy silhouettes or textured granularity, or that deconstructs pictorialism. Other astounding images are ultra-high-res, almost holographic, and can be constructed from a dSLR by massive stitching of narrow tele shots. Or stitching 180-degree full-circle fisheye shots into whole-hemisphere panos. Those are some of the frontiers that I find exciting.

Ah, you'll probably be happy with a 12-24 and a 40. Don't let me hold you back.
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landscape is certainly a diverse subject. I generally use a Viv S1 28 for my landscapes, but often use a 55mm or even a S-M-C Tak 105 once in awhile. I did just purchase the DA 15 Limited and am convinced it is a winner for wider landscapes.

The 12-24 seems like a great suggestion too because you have a range of wide FLs.

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My landscape kit is the 15 ltd, 35 ltd and 55-300. This very effectively covers virtually any landscape I encounter.

The 15 is awesome for many reasons (sharp, incredible rendering, flare resistant, small), and one of my favorite lenses, but I use the 35 just as often, or even more often in many cases. I'm often surprised just how perfectly it fits so many different scenes, from city skylines to mountains to valleys. It always seems to be just right. Also, there are countless unique shots that I would have missed if I didn't carry the 55-300.

Wide angle is good, but don't discount the normal to long range for landscapes, especially if you have "subjects" like mountains, or you want to play with perspective. They can be just as important.

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I use my Sigma 10-20 for land/cityscapes, 18-55 kit just isn't wide enough for how I shoot.

The only thing I don't like about the 10-20, is the barrel distortion at 10mm, but that can be compensated by adjusting shooting angles.

But it always depends on what you want to shoot, when I tried to shoot some of the sequoias east of here (Kings Canyon NP) with my kit lens a couple years ago, I know I needed something really wide. In a perfect world, I would probably have the Tokina 11-16 2.8 that isn't available for Pentax . That and a T/S lens.
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So I guess what I'll probably do, since I have a couple months, is just keep all this advice in mind, watch the marketplace here, and see what I can get a good deal on! Thanks everyone!
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Check out the long-running, multi-page thread called "The DA 15 Controls My Mind."

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QuoteOriginally posted by guinnessman Quote
barrel distortion at 10mm
This is also pretty easy to correct in post, but you lose a little FOV. Almost every wide angle I've used has some barrel distortion.
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I do think I would be fine with 12mm, or even 15mm. I mean, I'm used to shooting everything at 100mm.

Ron: I was surprised that someone in that thread (on page 2) said the 12-24 is better for corner sharpness than the 15.

Also, someone in the DA* 50-135 review thread linked this as a suggestion for a "light walk around kit"... it's just so pretty. The 50-135 is tempting because I only read good things about it, it would be a very good general lens, I'd like to have one SDM lens, and one weather sealed lens to go with the K5 would be great too... But then I don't think I could justify TWO wider Limiteds. I think I'd probably like the 35 macro best, but it really isn't very wide. I kind of just want a wide lens on principal, to not be limited (hah) by that lack (it actually happened once already). Maybe if I sell my 28-75 I could get the 15, 35, and 50-135. I guess I've been convinced the 12-24 is probably "better" than the 15, but it's also more expensive.

Technically I can afford all of these things right now, but I need to figure out what's really worth it, and what I'll actually use. I don't want to buy things just because they're shiny.
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QuoteOriginally posted by crimson_penguin Quote
Technically I can afford all of these things right now, but I need to figure out what's really worth it, and what I'll actually use. I don't want to buy things just because they're shiny.
If this is true consider that your tamron 17-50 is really not much narrower than the DA 15. You also have the 16-45 lens which is killer for the coin.

The 12-24 would be the next logical step - I feel the 15 is too similar to yo 17mm to be that much more useful.

The 15 is just as good, but really best for those who want a high IQ wide angle handy just in case, OR use the wide angle a lot indoors and don't want a huge camera bumping into things. I think the 12-24 has a lot more mileage in it (same with the sigma 10-20).
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I have both the da15 and the 12-24. If I could only keep one it would be the 12-24 but I'll not part with either.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ron Kruger Quote
The DA 15 Limited is one of the best landscape lenses you can get anywhere for any price. It is dipped in detail and sprinkled with magic. How sweet it is!
this is simply not true. It's not that great at all, it's just small
and there is nothing else to pick.

The problem is Pentax is a crop system and wide angle is not well covered.
For example the best wide angle lens out there - Zeiss 21 ZK
is not very wide on a Pentax camera. Zeiss 18 is not as good, better than 15 Ltd,
but much bigger. All the so called wide zooms, Tokinas, Sigmas etc
are garbage.
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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
It's not that great at all
I think this is questionable. It might just not be any better than the 12-24. But the 12-24 is pretty good too...
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QuoteOriginally posted by paperbag846 Quote
If this is true consider that your tamron 17-50 is really not much narrower than the DA 15. You also have the 16-45 lens which is killer for the coin.
Wait, since when do I have a 17-50? I have a 28-75, and that's the widest I have right now. The "for the coin" part at the end there makes me very dubious. Not that I WANT to spend a lot on lenses, but I am very picky about quality and if it's good value but not quite up to my standards... well, what's the point if I don't use it? Also, don't take this the wrong way - I don't blame my bad photos on my lenses not being good enough, it's just that the only lens I have that I'm really happy with the IQ of is my 100mm. And I take my best photos with it, as well as plenty of bad ones.
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