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02-23-2011, 04:02 AM   #1
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Lens recommendation for K200D

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I'm currently using a K200D with the 2 kit lens, a Tak 50/1.4 and some other manual lens.

I am looking for an upgrade of lens for the 18-55.

After going through threads about prime/zoom option, I remain undecided about which prime to use, thus I might stick to the zoom lens for the time being until I figure out my sweer FL.

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1. Is there any K200D user out there with 16-45/F4 or 17-70/F4? Is F4 good enough as K200D is not exactly good with low light.
2. Should I go for a F2.8 zoom (16-50 / 17-50 of Pentax/Tamron/Sigma) instead, for we could use F2.8 to go with a lower ISO.

I tried to use Pixel-Peeper -- Over a million full-size sample photos from lenses, SLR cameras and digicams. to screen out pictures from K200D but it seems that there are not too many users with this camera.

I gather that the most economical upgrade would be a Tamron 17-50 to give a noticeable jump of IQ. Is that so?

I usually take pictures of nature, city, buildings and have intention to do a little more portraits in the future. Or the LBA would not be justified in the 'Finance Dept' at home. :P

There are just too few K200D users out there and the usual lens comparison are usually made by users of K10/20/x/r. Thus if you have prior experience of a K200D, I'd be real grateful!

I used to follow comments from Marc Sabatella in the past, but he hasn't been round lately. Really miss his comments. Hope he did not jump camp!

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02-23-2011, 04:49 AM   #2
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I was and stil am very satisfied with my choice for the DA*16-50. It was my most used lens with the K200D (I'm shooting with a K-5 now). It is a big lens for long hikes but the weather sealing was and is really important for me. I still had some problems with low light situations but I probably was a bit to conservative with pushing the K200D to its limits and I don't use a tripod&lower shutter speed enough.

I know there are SDM problems associated with the lens but got the 16-50 before the price went up and everything will brake down eventually... So I gambled a bit! I don't have any experience with any other lenses so my post is likely of limited value for you...

Here is a thread with some examples of photo's with this lens: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/106084-da*-16-...at-can-do.html and this is a example of the K200D with the 16-50 with a small tripod and iso 800 https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/post-your-photos/121220-travel-campfire-glow.html and on PPG I have some other examples of this combo: http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/remcodevries.

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For zooms I would suggest the Pentax 12-24 f4 and Tamron 28-75 f2.8. Both are high-quality. That will cover landscape to portraits. They show up in the Marketplace from time to time.

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I have a K200d, use it regularly. I am quite happy using the Sigma 17-70 (older non-hsm version). I think it's a great combo and don't really feel a need for other lenses on that camera. I kind of feel like the K200d and to a lesser extent the K2000 (aka KM) were a bit under appreciated and quickly overtaken by the KX and now the KR. Added - the Sigma 17-70 I use goes from F2.8 to F4.5. I also can tweak fairly decent shots from ISO 1600 with a little TLC in PP.


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I am a happy K200D user, and have had the 16-45. f4 was fine for outdoors but it needs light for sure with this camera (and I had a K100D Super before this, same deal). I have the two WR kit lenses for chasing the kids around, and those are pretty good again outside, but I find I use the FA50 f1.4 or FA135 f2.8 for anything indoors or where lighting is not happenin. I am somewhat having sellers remorse over the 16-45 however for outside, and watch the marketplace here for em (though man I just should not be buying lenses right now). So you probably want at least f2.8 for all around-er for the K200D (great camera however. I had a K20D for a short time between having the K100D and the K200D and it was just too big and heavy for me, so I went a step back, I guess, and got the K200D but it is perfect for what I do with it.

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I own a K200D and am very happy with it, the sensor in it is great and can hold its own agaisnt any other camera. I dont use zooms, i mainly use prime lenses.
This camera paired with a limited lens is fantastic. My 3 main primes are the DA15 LTD, FA 43LTD , and the FA 77 LTD. Its light years ahead of the kit lens.
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I ma very happy with the DA 18-250.
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The K200 has the same sensor as my K10. The sensor is superb 100-200 ISO, good to 400, and takes a lot of post processing over that, unless you treat the noise like film grain. I really don't find ISO 1600 anything to be afraid of. One sample image here

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For my own anecdote my used K200d came with a DA 16-45 which I sold to get a WR 18-55. To me, it didn't make sense to keep the 16-45, even though it's sharper, because -

- it's not weather-resistant
- that range is pretty much covered by the 18-55
- if I really want wide-angle I don't think 16mm is enough anyway. I'd rather get a 10-20 or DA15.

I would think the new 18-135 WR would be the most sought-after lens for general purpose shooting for WR Pentax bodies. It covers such a wide range, has WR and seems to have an improved IQ over the kit lenses (if the early reviews are to be believed). Only problem is the price.
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QuoteOriginally posted by TOUGEFC Quote
I own a K200D and am very happy with it, the sensor in it is great and can hold its own agaisnt any other camera. I dont use zooms, i mainly use prime lenses.
This camera paired with a limited lens is fantastic. My 3 main primes are the DA15 LTD, FA 43LTD , and the FA 77 LTD. Its light years ahead of the kit lens.
AMEN! My K200D is excellent with the DA 21 mm Limited and especially the DA 35 and DA 40mm Limiteds. With the DA 40, the images are just crazy sharp and punchy from ISO 100 to ISO 400 and more than acceptable from 800 to 1600 with the most recent PP software. It's my camera of choice (with those lenses) for a 2 week shoot of the Niagara River Gorge in June.

EDIT: FWIW the K200D combined with my slower zooms (18-55 WR kit, 18 - 250) is no slouch either. This is a very fine camera, and I don't have a lens that doesn't work well with it.
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Thanks for all the advice.

@SpecialK: I've never thought of having a 28-75 as a walkaround-cum-portrait lens. The 12-24 could be replaced by a 15 or 21 if I could figure out which FL I'm more comfortable with. Thanks for opening up my options!

@jays0n: F4 is really a challenge for our dear K200D eh? Maybe I'd use my kit and set it to F4 and use it for a few days and see what I could make out of it.

@TOUGEFC: You have just pumped up my LBA...

@Canada_Rockies: May I know what lens you used for the shot on flickr?

@InlawBiker:

@snofox: Have your got some macro shots using your K200D? The sharpness and contrast blows me away everytime when I use it with my Tak 50/1.4.
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QuoteOriginally posted by josephleaf Quote
Thanks for all the advice.

@SpecialK: I've never thought of having a 28-75 as a walkaround-cum-portrait lens. The 12-24 could be replaced by a 15 or 21 if I could figure out which FL I'm more comfortable with. Thanks for opening up my options!
It's nice to be able to go down to 12, which is a big difference over 15. So, I'm keeping mine, even though I have the 15 and 21... Good luck - you can't go wrong with any of them.
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For serious landscaping, the flexibility of a zoom is very important. You need to walk a fair distance to make up for the difference between 12 mm and 15 mm.

For general wide angles, the 15 is a good lens, although it's value is questionable considering the price of the 12-24.

The most useful would have to be the 21. It's good for people and for landscapes. It's not *that* wide but you don't need an ultra wide angle to capture a good landscape.

All of that said...

I think your first inclination to go with the Tamron 17-50 is a strong one. You can do a lot with that (most of my landscapes are shot at about 28mm anyways), including portraits, it's nice and wide, and SHARP (which is very important for landscapes).

It's half the price of the 12-24, which, IMHO, is a far less flexible range than the 17-50. The 12-24 is for serious wide angle junkies.
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QuoteOriginally posted by josephleaf Quote
@Canada_Rockies: May I know what lens you used for the shot on flickr?
The lens was my personal "go to" lens, the DA* 16-50/2.8.

FYI, EXIF data is accessible on Flickr but only on the "original" size image.
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QuoteOriginally posted by josephleaf Quote
Thanks for all the advice.

@snofox: Have your got some macro shots using your K200D? The sharpness and contrast blows me away everytime when I use it with my Tak 50/1.4.
I tried several times to attach a couple, but the "Insert Album Photos" is a dead link. If you click on the link below my signature here, there is one in that gallery called "Eye Candy", done with the K200D and DA 35mm Limited macro. That seems to be the best I can do at the moment.
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