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03-01-2011, 08:55 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
well, his bald looks pretty purplish.
The flowers look pretty purplish as well.

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I have both the 70 and 77.
The 70 is my go to lens when I need a short telephoto.
The 77 is my go to lens when I need a paperweight.
Sad but true, I almost never use my 77.
Didn't use it at all last year, I used it for two portrait shoots the year before that.
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.
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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.


This is not going to end well.
03-01-2011, 10:09 PM   #34
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Wheatfield is a pro photographer, if he prefers the 70 to the 77 then more power to him. What that has to do with a P&S is beyond me. I know the prevailing wisdom here is that the 70 is a poor cousin to the 77 but even photozone says...

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Now is it [DA70] a "better" lens than the FA 77mm f/1.8 Limited ? I'd be hard pressed to provided a real guidance here. Technically the DA 70mm is a bit better (more even resolution, less purple fringing) whereas the FA 77mm has a slight edge regarding the bokeh due to its larger max. aperture. Fortunately the choice is yours and not mine
Interestingly the DA70 got a 4/5 for optical quality, the 77 a 3.5/5 for the same.

Doesn't seem a slam dunk to me

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I know the prevailing wisdom here is that the 70 is a poor cousin to the 77
I suspect that this is mainly due to DA70 having less bling than FA77 (and costing about half)...
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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.
Perhaps there was some issue with the lens and not Wheatfield.
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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.
The DA 70 might have less impressive bokeh but really, it's DOF control is pretty good (2.4 at 70mm is about the same as 1.7 at 50mm...

That is a far cry from using a P&S (essentially using a 24mm lens at f8 all the time).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wheatfield Quote
The 77 is my go to lens when I need a paperweight.
Sad but true, I almost never use my 77.
Didn't use it at all last year, I used it for two portrait shoots the year before that.
Well, kind of true for me too...but it's more to do with my 28-75mm and 70-200mm which are almost fixed to my cams.

But whenever I use 77mm, it never failed to impress, one of the best lens I ever owned. Two casual portraits.





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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.
Wheatfield shoots in a studio a lot and finds that the 77 is too long on a cropped sensor for his studio work. He prefers the DA *55 and DA 70 because they are a little shorter.

I do think that the crop effects our perception of focal lengths quite a bit. 77 would definitely be more useful on film/full frame.
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"all-arround lens" it's just an expression... does not exist, you are looking for a lens that suits your type of photography
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
DA *55
If they would make this goddamn lens with out the horrible SDM, I would snap it up in a second. It is honestly a very versatile focal length if you can learn to think in tele.

I'm not so sure about the 77 or 70 in this regard.

It's not exactly technologically advanced, but the K55 is a really nice portrait lens wide open, and good for general purpose shots as well.

Not bad for 50 bucks.

I'm wondering, if you want an "all around" tele for FA 77 money, whether you would be better off with something like a zoom in that range. The Tamron 28-75 f2.8 comes to mind.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DaniRo Quote
"all-arround lens" it's just an expression... does not exist, you are looking for a lens that suits your type of photography
Yes, I think that is the most accurate response.
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QuoteOriginally posted by wlachan Quote
0.7m is already pretty close for this FL. FA77 has 1.2m in comparison. If you want to get closer, you really should consider a macro.
Do you mean MFD? The FA77 also focuses to 0.7m, so they're the same there.

I did find that I liked the DA70 better for landscape, but I mostly shoot people (especially at this length) and preferred the bokeh of the 77.

So if by all-around, you mean to shoot landscape, people, street, flowers, whatever, I'd pick the 70.
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For some reason I've never struggled with PF on my 77. It seems common here to prefer the 43 over the 77 due to less PF. However my 43 occasionally shows PF in challenging outdoor scenarios, but the 77 never really has, so my experience is quite the opposite. Samples are below.

In reply to the OP, if you like the longer focal length my experience gives preference to the FAs. I haven't owned the 70, but after owning both the 40 and 43 during the same time, I sold the 40.

K10D, FA77, 1/4000s, f/1.8, ISO 200

FA77, f/2

In trying to get PF at f1.8 on the 77, there's a little on her watch and ring:

and a bit more on the bottom and right side, 1/160s, f/1.8, ISO 200
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QuoteOriginally posted by andi Quote
This is the most bizarre statement.
If you have both and prefer 70 over 77, you can as easily shoot
with the simplest P&S camera, you won't notice the difference, trust me.
It will be sharp everywhere, no purple ca, and it will be really light.
I take it you haven't used wither of the lenses in question......
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This is not going to end well.
I'm on a regimen of enforced niceness, so even if I wanted it to end badly, it wouldn't.

QuoteOriginally posted by SpecialK Quote
Perhaps there was some issue with the lens and not Wheatfield.
Both lenses are very good. I don't see a whole lot of image quality difference between the two in day to day usage, but I like using the 70 more.
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