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03-25-2011, 02:48 AM   #1
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Hi,

I know that this topic has already been discussed hundreds of times on this forum, and with the earthquake in Japan, the situation is probably quite difficult...

However, what is Pentax doing with their lenses ???

Yes, we have had a new prime (35 / 2.4) and the zoom 18-135...

But it looks like there would be demand for lots of other releases... Like :
- DA Ltd 24 /2.8,
- cheap and light pancake 50 / 1.8
- DA Ltd 85 / 1.4
- DA* 400 / 5.6

etc... etc...

I don't see rumors anymore about Pentax lenses, but I hope they are gonna wake up soon...

03-25-2011, 05:50 AM   #2
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There was a thread a month or so for couple of pattents for two odd zooms. I don't remember the details except that the two zooms were not what I have any interest in and I hope it doesn't indicate the future Pentax is going in for the near future. It is not the future I would like.

We do need a few new lenses to fill some gaps. The biggest gap is at the long end where there is nothing longer than a DA*300. A DA*400 (too close to the 300) or DA*500 would be nice. For me at the long end a zoom would be more useful. A DA*135-400 would be really nice.

Then something like a DA*10-16 to fill out the wide end would be nice. What a nice system consisting of DA*10-16, DA*16-50, DA*50-135 and DA*135-400.

A fast weather sealed normal lens is needed somehting like a DA*28/1.8 or a DA*30/1.8.

Then what about releasing some of the great lenses like the FA*85, or FA*24, FA*200 Macro or FA*250-600.
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I see we have more or less the same expectations...

It's weird, however, how silent Pentax remains on this matter...
03-25-2011, 10:31 AM   #4
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QuoteOriginally posted by Luin Gor Quote
Hi,

I know that this topic has already been discussed hundreds of times on this forum, and with the earthquake in Japan, the situation is probably quite difficult...

However, what is Pentax doing with their lenses ???

Yes, we have had a new prime (35 / 2.4) and the zoom 18-135...

But it looks like there would be demand for lots of other releases... Like :
- DA Ltd 24 /2.8,
- cheap and light pancake 50 / 1.8
- DA Ltd 85 / 1.4
- DA* 400 / 5.6

etc... etc...

I don't see rumors anymore about Pentax lenses, but I hope they are gonna wake up soon...
A new 85mm f/1.4 from Pentax certainly would be above DA Ltd series.
There are obviously large holes in the current line-up. But third-party companies like Sigma and tamron are helping fill them up. Many people argue that their build-quality isn't nearly as good as Pentax's, but I think Pentax should send third-parties thank-you cards.

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QuoteOriginally posted by shadmanaj Quote
A new 85mm f/1.4 from Pentax certainly would be above DA Ltd series.
Yes, that's true. But even so, I doubt we'll ever see such a lens from Pentax for their APS-C cameras. Pentax replaced the FA* 85 with the DA* 55. For those who want longer portrait lenses, there is the DA 70 and the FA 77.

Pentax actually has bigger holes in their prime lens lineup than the 85, e.g., the 24mm to 28mm hole, the ~135mm hole, the 400mm+ hole. I would expect them to try to fill those holes long before they ever got around to contemplating an 85mm lens.

I seem to remember Ned Bunnell saying an interview last year that Pentax would seek to provide unique lens offerings. Hence the patents for DA 12-35 and the DA* 25-350. I suspect the new lens offerings from Pentax will more often than not be in non-characteristic focal lengths.
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QuoteOriginally posted by northcoastgreg Quote
Yes, that's true. But even so, I doubt we'll ever see such a lens from Pentax for their APS-C cameras. Pentax replaced the FA* 85 with the DA* 55. For those who want longer portrait lenses, there is the DA 70 and the FA 77.

Pentax actually has bigger holes in their prime lens lineup than the 85, e.g., the 24mm to 28mm hole, the ~135mm hole, the 400mm+ hole. I would expect them to try to fill those holes long before they ever got around to contemplating an 85mm lens.

I seem to remember Ned Bunnell saying an interview last year that Pentax would seek to provide unique lens offerings. Hence the patents for DA 12-35 and the DA* 25-350. I suspect the new lens offerings from Pentax will more often than not be in non-characteristic focal lengths.
+1. Yes, Pentax lenses generally have uncommon FLs, but that's something I'm happy about. :-D I just hope there are some new releases soon, because the last year has been sort of slow.
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The biggest gap is at the long end where there is nothing longer than a DA*300. A DA*400 (too close to the 300) or DA*500 would be nice
Yes, yes, yes! And maybe a matched DA* TC?
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QuoteOriginally posted by northcoastgreg Quote
Yes, that's true. But even so, I doubt we'll ever see such a lens from Pentax for their APS-C cameras. Pentax replaced the FA* 85 with the DA* 55. For those who want longer portrait lenses, there is the DA 70 and the FA 77.

Pentax actually has bigger holes in their prime lens lineup than the 85, e.g., the 24mm to 28mm hole, the ~135mm hole, the 400mm+ hole. I would expect them to try to fill those holes long before they ever got around to contemplating an 85mm lens.

I seem to remember Ned Bunnell saying an interview last year that Pentax would seek to provide unique lens offerings. Hence the patents for DA 12-35 and the DA* 25-350. I suspect the new lens offerings from Pentax will more often than not be in non-characteristic focal lengths.
I will hope Pentax will fill those gaps you mentioned.

It is a shame we don't have a WR fast normal lens like a DA*28 or DA*30 would be for the 1.5 crop camera.

Pentax is noted for those odd focal lengths but a DA12-35 and DA*25-350 just don't do it for me. A DA*10-16 and a DA*135-400 would really pair up with the exsisting DA*16-50 and DA*50-135 and make for an excellent group of lenses. The DA12-35 just over laps too much with the other lenses. The DA*15-350 just isn't long enough.

I just really wish Pentax will make a new lens that I want to buy. I have the following: DA14, DA15 Ltd, DA*16-50 DA17-70, DA21 Ltd, FA31 Ltd, FA35, DA 35 Ltd, FA43 Ltd, DFA50, DA*55, DA*60-250, DA70 Ltd, FA77 Ltd, DFA100, DA*200 and DA*300. I just don't see any use for me and my use for the recent DA*18-135, and the possible future DA12-35 or the DA*25-350. A ultra wide zoom like a DA*10-16, a WR fast normal like a DA*28/1.8 (or DA*30/1.8) or a super-telephoto like a DA*135-400 (or a DA*500/4.5) would get me buying lenses again.

A TC that would work with the DA*300 or DA*60-250 would be a nice stop-gap measure for the long end. gap.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Luin Gor Quote
Hi,

I know that this topic has already been discussed hundreds of times on this forum, and with the earthquake in Japan, the situation is probably quite difficult...

However, what is Pentax doing with their lenses ???

Yes, we have had a new prime (35 / 2.4) and the zoom 18-135...

But it looks like there would be demand for lots of other releases... Like :
- DA Ltd 24 /2.8,
- cheap and light pancake 50 / 1.8
- DA Ltd 85 / 1.4
- DA* 400 / 5.6

etc... etc...

I don't see rumors anymore about Pentax lenses, but I hope they are gonna wake up soon...
As much as I agree on the need of some new lenses, I just don't see point of 3 of those you lidted.
24/2.8 - yes many would want 35mm equivalent but such lens would be too close to 21ltd, only 1/3 of stop faster. I'm all up for 24 but IF they ever choose to do one, I'd say it would be DAL24/3.5 to go along with starter lens of DAL35/2.4 or DA*24/2 or faster to go with DA*55.

50/1.8 - what on earth would be the point?!? There is no FF (for the time being anyway) so why on earth they would make cheap 50?!? You can argue CaNiSon have them, true but they have FF bodies too! In my mind there isn't point to make new slow 50 for APSC body. If think of it, they are replacing their FF lenses with coresponding APSC lengths, the only lens 50mm could replace is 77ltd, in which case, trying to replace the legend of it, they should do DA50/1.2Ltd. That would have many people drooling. And if you think of A50/1.2 special 2000 they wouldn't have so much to do! That lens looked just like silver ltds.

85/1.4 - I know many would want 85 but sadly it doesn't corespond with any FF length. + if it was Ltd it wouldn't be 1.4. You simply can't make those small. DA85/2Ltd, maybe. DA*85/1.4 maybe. Anyway, I don't see them doing that lens unless they don't have FF body in pipeline.

DA*400 - hell yes!
As far as the oddball zooms go, I agree. Not much point IMO.

Fast normal? They won't do it out of fear of loosing sales of 31ltd. The best they might would be the mentioned DA*28/2. I doubt we'll see fast 30ish as long as 31 is alive.

What they need? DA90/2 or there about to replace 135mm lens. Wide prime like DA10/4 or 11/4 or thereabouts. Heck if they'd call it Ltd and made it 11/4.5 I'd be all over it. 28mm replacement wouldn't go amiss either, 18/2.8 or such. And of course the long end. 135-400 would make a lot of sense. 500/4.5 would send many over the moon but for starters at least DA* 1.4, 1.7 or 2x TC would improve existing situation.

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I think that we will have to wait till the japanese people and industry are over this dreadful earthquake/tsunami disaster and till there will be enough power to run the R&D labs and production plants
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As much as I agree on the need of some new lenses, I just don't see point of 3 of those you lidted.
+1.

A 400/5.6 would be something nice, but the others are not really lineup holes.

You got 10-17, 12-24, 14, 15, 21 to cover wide angles

Then 31, 35, 43, 16-50, 50, 55 for normal/short tele

And finally, 70, 77, 100, 50-135, 60-250, 200, 300 for longer tele

You add stuff like 17-70, 18-135, 55-300 and up to 300mm, you have good coverage. Not to mention third party alternatives.

These are holes:

- Modern extension rings with SDM support - how hard is it to make these now?
- Modern TCs with SDM support - a 1.4x would give you the 400/5.6 out of the 300/4
- Some specialty macros and tilt and shift lenses - longest macro will be the new Sigma 150, but it would have been nice to have a 180 or 200 macro.

Last edited by Laurentiu Cristofor; 03-27-2011 at 10:54 PM. Reason: Forgot the 200/2.8
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