Originally posted by Gooshin it is clear who here is of the old film school of thought and who of the digital
ive had people comment on my photographs saying how they look HDR or 3D, all i did was play around in photoshop a bit.
when you have zero room for editing, i will agree that the best possible glass will give you the best possible results
but with the digital age, even stuff like bokeh could be manipulated through layers and blur filters.
its more work, no doubt, but i'm just saying.
Well, I have to say you're demonstratably wrong there, gooshin - I've never shot film, unless you count cheap film point & shoots years ago. Never SLR film, just digital.
And I can say that, at least to me, it's very obvious that certain lenses have qualities beyond sharpness/resolution. My SMC-M 85mm f/2 and my new 77 ltd share similar beauty/3d/bokeh, but even they are different from each other. My DA* 50-135 has
incredible resolution, yet it doesn't quite match my 85mm for the 3d-ness, the fullness of the colors and the things the 85 does with shadows.
It's something I can see, but I'm also pretty convinced that it's quantifiable - it's just that it would probably take a masters-thesis level paper on optics to actually 'quantify' what we're talking about here in layman's terms.
Here's an analogy for you - if you go to a magazine rack and page through
Audiophile or some similar high-end audio magazine, you'll see many articles quantifying with tables, charts, and graphs the unique sounds of these $15,000 stereos they're reviewing - but the best way for an audio layman to really know what they're talking about is to stand in front of the speakers and feel the music - I've had the pleasure, and the difference between one of those stereo systems and your garden variety $1000 stereo is night and day.
Now, if you were just comparing watts per channel, or top volume, or some basic measure that manufacturers of $1000 stereos keep pushing at you, you may wonder how a $15,000 stereo could really be any better than a $1000 stereo, if the specs are so similar. But they are better - in quantifiable ways, as recorded in
Audiophile, and in the ways you and I would describe them - 3D sound, shimmering highs, gut-trembling bass even at low volume, etc.
The problem is that we don't have an
Audiophile equivalent for the optics industry that can marry the quantifiable to the tactile, so we're stuck with language only.
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