Originally posted by JHD Hey, I tried the lens and I didn't think it was anything special. Set your camera up on a tripod and take the same shot with the DA16-45. If the DA15 is worth twice the price, there should be some hard evidence to justify the dollars...
The evidence is more apparent when you take it *off* the tripod; even more so when you try to fit it in your bag. One is much smaller than the other. Either that matters to you or it doesn't.
Even on the tripod, though, the difference in distortion and in CA would be plainly apparent. But to the extent the optical quality is close, that's really a testament to the 16-45, not a knock on the 15.
Quote: When you glance at the sun, do you see it emitting 14 pointy spikes?
No, but I do so a clearly defined ball, and under the right conditions, I do see clearly defined rays. The sky is very much lighter close to the sun, but it is not completely washed out. With most lenses, shots that include the sun are not able to render any of this very accurately. But the DA15 does quite well at this.
Quote: I’d rather not see so much misrepresentation of reality. And there's no way around that artificial manufactured look with the DA15.
Of course there is - just don't stop down so much when shooting directly into the sun. Also, many of the starburst shots you see posted required PP to get there; otherwise, the sun would have been rendered much larger (the sky around it would have been blown out too) and the spikes subsumed in the blown out sky. if you prefer not to see 14 pointy spikes, it's *trivially* easy not to get them.
But that misses the point. In addition to my observation about the problems inherent in representing the sun in a photograph - problems that the DA15 solves very well - there is also the question of how the foreground is rendered when the sun is in or near the shot. Flare just *kills* contrast in many of these situations, and with a semi-ultra-wide-angle lens, you're shooting in the general vicinity of the sun more often than with a longer lens. The fact that the 15 can take advantage of its amazing lack of flare to create the starburst effect is indeed primarily a novelty. The fact that it is so lacking in flare in the first place is what is really valuable, though. In other words, stop looking at the starbursts - look at how the rest of the scene is rendered.