Originally posted by paperbag846 You have a habit of not taking what I say at face value...
I said the 31 was best utilized on film. I maintain that. That's not really a knock on the lens itself... but more on the ASPC format. The 31 is remarkable because it is a wide angle lens that renders like a portrait lens. It's none too wide on ASPC.
Second, you said I don't find the focal length useful. I find normal lenses incredibly useful. My comment is simply that what makes the rendering of the 31 special is that it looks so damn good for a wide angle lens. When you throw it on a digital camera, it's no longer a wide angle lens. I don't think it looks better than every other lens out there. On digital, my major (and only) complaint is that it's a hell of a lot for what is essentially a very good fast 50. You could see this if you used a good fast 50 on film and compared it directly to the FA 31 on digital.
One of the first comments I read here on PF was "the 31 is a monumental waste of good glass on a crop sensor." I'm inclined to agree. Besides, no one is making you shoot digital - film cameras are cheap these days too.
I would maintain that 1000 dollars is not worth it for a fast 50. However, it is worth it for a fast wide-angle lens. And stop saying "I prefer the rendering". Be descriptive. Theres nothing magical about any lens, and it's certainly not beyond words.
PS - I also feel the same way about my FA 77 - looks good on digital, better on film.
I have to disagree with just about everything said in this post. For one thing the FA 31mm ltd
IS a "normal" lens on a cropped sensor, or if you are
really going to split hairs, it is slightly wider than true normal which mathematically is 33.5 if you accept 50mm as being normal on a 35mm film camera.
However, most people here shoot pentax digital, so the "crop factor" argument is arcane, moot and tied to old technology that isn't relevant for most of us. I could give a fig how the output of the 31mm looks on a film camera, even tho I own two, I never use them, I would be surprised if more than 15-20% of the posters here regularly use film cameras.
So by definition, the 31mm ltd is a "normal" lens on an ASP-C sensor, which according to your words would be "incredibly useful". As to the comment that film cameras are cheap, this is true until you buy film, shoot and get it developed. Then the hobby becomes quite expensive compared to digital.
Finally I have to take exception that describing the output of an exceptional lens can be described. "A picture is worth a thousand words". Actually it's even more than that. I can write "this lens has a 3D quality to it" What does that mean? But if I show you a shot exhibiting "3D quality" you know
exactly what I mean. "Creamy smooth bokeh" what does that mean? But if I show you a shot, then you know. One of the reasons I take photographs is to
show beauty, not try to describe it. If the output of lenses could be perfectly described in words, I wouldn't have to do that.
NaCl(climbs down off his soapbox)H2O