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05-31-2011, 03:18 PM   #346
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QuoteOriginally posted by v5planet Quote
I'm not sure whether your first comment was directed at pixie dust or at aikido, but I would take less offense at the former, since it is an aesthetic notion rather than a practical one. Curious to know what your background in aikido is since you are so dismissive of both its efficacy and value to its practitioners.

As for Simon's image -- I agree, the bokeh in it is a bit distracting, and the 43 is clearly best used without a busy background. Regarding the vignetting, I'd be curious to know if it was added in PP or if it was present from GO. Sometimes people enjoy adding those to strengthen their images
I was talking about pixie dust not aikido. Also, I add vignetting in PP sometimes, as well.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jstevewhite Quote
So the photographer can't know what lens he's using?
Hmm...How about asking a Canon photographer who hasn't heard of pixie dust to take the shots?
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Hmm...How about asking a Canon photographer who hasn't heard of pixie dust to take the shots.
Yeah, but what if he *noticed* it? Wouldn't that contaminate the cohort?

EDIT: Not to mention ruin him for all other marques forever?
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QuoteOriginally posted by asdf Quote
Hmm...How about asking a Canon photographer who hasn't heard of pixie dust to take the shots.
I'm pretty sure Canon users would be too scared of Pentax cooties for that. Probably would be doubly so if you mentioned it was for studying pixie dust.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jstevewhite Quote
Yeah, but what if he *noticed* it? Wouldn't that contaminate the cohort?

EDIT: Not to mention ruin him for all other marques forever?
Hmm...as you mentioned before, the task does sound like a PITA.
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I was talking about pixie dust not aikido. Also, I add vignetting in PP sometimes, as well.
Oh, yeah? Well, I don't vignette in PP... I use COKIN CREATIVE FILTERS!!!!

( lol... couldn't resist. The other day I came across my cokin set from the late 80s; the only filter I used more than once was the graduated ND - heh! )

For the record, Cokin Creative Filters DO NOT have pixie dust in any form.
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QuoteOriginally posted by paperbag846 Quote
The FA 43 was designed as a "normal" lens and was bokeh was not its top priority. It should not be surprising, therefore, that they opted to create a lens which sacrifices smooth bokeh for extreme sharpness. I don't quite understand why they went in the totally opposite direction with the FA 50, but it's clear to be which of these two is sharper, and which one has the better bokeh (and how no lens will be the best of both worlds).

You will notice they did the *exact opposite* for the FA 77, which is not the sharpest, but has very pleasing bokeh (it's application as a portrait lens demands this compromise).
Best I can tell and remember, the term bokeh (or boke) have been in use since at least~ 1998 or 1996 for boke. Given the FA 43 was released in 1997, I would say it is safe to say that regardless if it was a 'normal' lens or not, it wouldn't have been designed around the term. I remember these terms being argued about in much the same way this Pixie Dust argument is going.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Blue Quote
Best I can tell and remember, the term bokeh (or boke) have been in use since at least~ 1998 or 1996 for boke. Given the FA 43 was released in 1997, I would say it is safe to say that regardless if it was a 'normal' lens or not, it wouldn't have been designed around the term. I remember these terms being argued about in much the same way this Pixie Dust argument is going.


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When I was looking for portraits done with the 77mm I came across a thread in a forum from a canon user who was over the moon about the results he got from using the 77mm. Actually, here's the link after a quick search Katie, a portrait. Why you should own an FA77 - Steve's Digicams Forums
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QuoteOriginally posted by jstevewhite Quote
Get off my lawn!
This is about the best summation I've seen thus far for the anti-PD movement.
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This is about the best summation I've seen thus far for the anti-PD movement.
Oh, it's a movement? Wow, I didn't even realize.
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Oh, it's a movement? Wow, I didn't even realize.
In a few years or sooner, P.D. will be the new bokeh (boke).

Edit: It is well on the way.
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In a few years or sooner, P.D. will be the new bokeh (boke).
There is a lens with a bokeh knob (released in 1993):

Nikkor AF 105mm f/2 D DC - Review / Test Report

So are you saying there is a lens with a pd pump on the Pentax roadmap?
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QuoteOriginally posted by asdf Quote
There is a lens with a bokeh knob (released in 1993):

Nikkor AF 105mm f/2 D DC - Review / Test Report

So are you saying there is a lens with a pd pump on the Pentax roadmap?
PD wand.
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QuoteOriginally posted by asdf Quote
There is a lens with a bokeh knob (released in 1993):

Nikkor AF 105mm f/2 D DC - Review / Test Report

So are you saying there is a lens with a pd pump on the Pentax roadmap?

I thought SP stood for Super Pixie. Was that knob actually called the bokeh nob in 1993? They called it the 'Defocus Control.' I have been under the impression that the term was first used by John Kernerdell after that lens was released.
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