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05-30-2011, 07:44 PM   #106
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As far as the re-sale of the used F and FA 28 lenses, they go up in the marketplace about as frequently as the FA 31 does
yeah, right.

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QuoteOriginally posted by miltllama Quote
This thread is about a new 28mm
Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens.
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yeah, right.
Go count them up. Non of them go up that often.
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Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens.
nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin.

oh no, my poor lens is being abused.

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Go count them up. Non of them go up that often.
and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin.

oh no, my poor lens is being abused.
Have you ever used both the F 28 and FA 28? No one burned an onion skin just that you have yet to acknowledge that the 2 lenses are completely different designs whether you like one or the other or neither.

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and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.
No, it is because people aren't reselling them that often.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.
I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense.

The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pentaxor Quote
thank you.
QuoteOriginally posted by miltllama Quote
This thread is about a new 28mm
Tell that to the people who began discussing *old* 28mm's before I even posted in the thread ..... like for example pentaxor who I quoted upon my entry into this discussion talking about *old* pentax 28mm's.

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QuoteOriginally posted by paperbag846 Quote
I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense.

The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens.
I actually have no idea what the argument is about either. I will say that I've tried quite a few lenses in that range, including both the F28/2.8 and FA28/2.8, and I found I had a slight preference for the F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8. Both were nice lenses, but in the end neither was as good nor as fast as the 31 (as you would expect).

That said, for one-fourth the cost and less than half the size and weight (of the 31), either of the F/FA 28/2.8 options make a decent alternative to the 31 is budget and/or size is a major consideration.
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QuoteOriginally posted by miltllama Quote
This thread is about a new 28mm
I fail to see how one could discuss the prospect of a new 28mm without discussing other 28mm options, including lenses such as the F28 and FA28. In the same respect, lenses such as the 31 and 35/2.4 should be discussed as well as their presence in the Pentax lineup has a direct impact on whether a new 28 would be released, and if so, what type of specs would make the mose sense.
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What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Ubuntu_user Quote
What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

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I assume the second part never happened?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ubuntu_user Quote
What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

:ugh:
Perhaps someone should reinvent the wheel.


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QuoteOriginally posted by dgaies Quote
F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8.
I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..?
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QuoteOriginally posted by paperbag846 Quote
I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..?
The F seemed to have been better liked in the film era than the FA. My MZ-3 kit consists of the F 28, FA 50/1.4 and FA 77 ltd and Sigma 105mm EX DG.
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