Will Pentax make a "DA 28mm f2.8"?

Pentaxor · 05-30-2011, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Blue

As far as the re-sale of the used F and FA 28 lenses, they go up in the marketplace about as frequently as the FA 31 does

yeah, right.

Blue · 05-30-2011, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by miltllama

This thread is about a new 28mm

Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens.

Blue · 05-30-2011, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

yeah, right.

Go count them up. Non of them go up that often.

Pentaxor · 05-30-2011, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by Blue

Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens.

nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin.

oh no, my poor lens is being abused.

Pentaxor · 05-30-2011, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Blue

Go count them up. Non of them go up that often.

and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.

Blue · 05-30-2011, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin.

oh no, my poor lens is being abused.

Have you ever used both the F 28 and FA 28? No one burned an onion skin just that you have yet to acknowledge that the 2 lenses are completely different designs whether you like one or the other or neither.

Originally posted by Pentaxor

and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.

No, it is because people aren't reselling them that often.

paperbag846 · 05-30-2011, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.

I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense.

The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens.

yeatzee · 05-30-2011, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

thank you.

Originally posted by miltllama

This thread is about a new 28mm

Tell that to the people who began discussing *old* 28mm's before I even posted in the thread

..... like for example pentaxor who I quoted upon my entry into this discussion talking about *old* pentax 28mm's.

dgaies · 05-30-2011, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by paperbag846

I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense.

The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens.

I actually have no idea what the argument is about either. I will say that I've tried quite a few lenses in that range, including both the F28/2.8 and FA28/2.8, and I found I had a slight preference for the F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8. Both were nice lenses, but in the end neither was as good nor as fast as the 31 (as you would expect).

That said, for one-fourth the cost and less than half the size and weight (of the 31), either of the F/FA 28/2.8 options make a decent alternative to the 31 is budget and/or size is a major consideration.

dgaies · 05-30-2011, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by miltllama

This thread is about a new 28mm

I fail to see how one could discuss the prospect of a new 28mm without discussing other 28mm options, including lenses such as the F28 and FA28. In the same respect, lenses such as the 31 and 35/2.4 should be discussed as well as their presence in the Pentax lineup has a direct impact on whether a new 28 would be released, and if so, what type of specs would make the mose sense.

Ubuntu_user · 05-30-2011, 08:19 PM

What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

:ugh:

dgaies · 05-30-2011, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by Ubuntu_user

What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

:ugh:

I assume the second part never happened?

Blue · 05-30-2011, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by Ubuntu_user

What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass?

:ugh:

Perhaps someone should reinvent the wheel.

sarcasm

paperbag846 · 05-30-2011, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by dgaies

F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8.

I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..?

Blue · 05-30-2011, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by paperbag846

I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..?

The F seemed to have been better liked in the film era than the FA. My MZ-3 kit consists of the F 28, FA 50/1.4 and FA 77 ltd and Sigma 105mm EX DG.

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05-30-2011, 07:44 PM	#106
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Blue As far as the re-sale of the used F and FA 28 lenses, they go up in the marketplace about as frequently as the FA 31 does yeah, right.

05-30-2011, 07:45 PM	#107
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by miltllama This thread is about a new 28mm Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens.

05-30-2011, 07:46 PM	#108
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Pentaxor yeah, right. Go count them up. Non of them go up that often.

05-30-2011, 07:47 PM	#109
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Blue Yeah, but the discussion came up because of Pentaxor's comment about the lens not being any different because they were both f2.8 maximum aperture. The optical design of the F 28 would be a good place to start with a new 28mm limited lens. nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin. oh no, my poor lens is being abused.

05-30-2011, 07:48 PM	#110
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Blue Go count them up. Non of them go up that often. and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high.

05-30-2011, 07:57 PM	#111
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Pentaxor nope, it started when some F28 owner burned their onion skin. oh no, my poor lens is being abused. Have you ever used both the F 28 and FA 28? No one burned an onion skin just that you have yet to acknowledge that the 2 lenses are completely different designs whether you like one or the other or neither. Originally posted by Pentaxor and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high. No, it is because people aren't reselling them that often.

05-30-2011, 08:01 PM	#112
paperbag846 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,395	Originally posted by Pentaxor and that is because? lemme guess, the demand for it is very high. I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense. The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens.

05-30-2011, 08:08 PM	#113
yeatzee Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Temecula Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,675	Originally posted by Pentaxor thank you. Originally posted by miltllama This thread is about a new 28mm Tell that to the people who began discussing old 28mm's before I even posted in the thread ..... like for example pentaxor who I quoted upon my entry into this discussion talking about old pentax 28mm's.

05-30-2011, 08:13 PM	#114
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by paperbag846 I'm not even sure what you are arguing anymore.... but you are beginning to make little sense. The 28 isn't the best in the world, but it's very good and a very practical alternative to many other options. Its a workhorse lens. I actually have no idea what the argument is about either. I will say that I've tried quite a few lenses in that range, including both the F28/2.8 and FA28/2.8, and I found I had a slight preference for the F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8. Both were nice lenses, but in the end neither was as good nor as fast as the 31 (as you would expect). That said, for one-fourth the cost and less than half the size and weight (of the 31), either of the F/FA 28/2.8 options make a decent alternative to the 31 is budget and/or size is a major consideration.

05-30-2011, 08:16 PM	#115
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by miltllama This thread is about a new 28mm I fail to see how one could discuss the prospect of a new 28mm without discussing other 28mm options, including lenses such as the F28 and FA28. In the same respect, lenses such as the 31 and 35/2.4 should be discussed as well as their presence in the Pentax lineup has a direct impact on whether a new 28 would be released, and if so, what type of specs would make the mose sense.

05-30-2011, 08:19 PM	#116
Ubuntu_user Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,545	What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass? :ugh:

05-30-2011, 08:24 PM	#117
dgaies Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Maryland / Washington DC Posts: 3,917	Originally posted by Ubuntu_user What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass? :ugh: I assume the second part never happened?

05-30-2011, 08:30 PM	#118
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by Ubuntu_user What are we doing talking about old glass when this thread was started with the intention of talking about new glass? :ugh: Perhaps someone should reinvent the wheel.

05-30-2011, 08:55 PM	#119
paperbag846 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,395	Originally posted by dgaies F28/2.8 over the FA28/2.8. I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..?

05-30-2011, 09:02 PM	#120
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by paperbag846 I noticed that the FA 28 lens is an "AL" design, which might account for the harsher bokeh (but I would guess, better sharpness for landscape work on film). So the merits of the F 28 really came into being in the digital age..? The F seemed to have been better liked in the film era than the FA. My MZ-3 kit consists of the F 28, FA 50/1.4 and FA 77 ltd and Sigma 105mm EX DG.