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View Poll Results: Which lenses to develop in future?
DA 8mm/f4 WR fisheye 406.67%
DA-L 18mm/f4 294.83%
FA 20mm/f2.2 Ltd. 9215.33%
DA 24mm/f2.0 WR 18230.33%
DA 28mm/f2.8 Ltd. 6510.83%
DFA 50mm/f1.0 9315.50%
DA-L 60mm/f2.8 203.33%
DA* 85mm/f1.4 16527.50%
DA-L 90mm/f2.8 274.50%
DA 100mm/f2.4 Ltd. 244.00%
FA 105mm/f1.9 Ltd. 7312.17%
DA* 135mm/f2.0 13622.67%
DFA 200mm/f4 macro WR 10417.33%
DA* 300mm/f2.8 6110.17%
DA 400mm/f5.6 WR 7813.00%
DFA* 500mm/f5.6 9115.17%
DA 600mm/f5.6 WR 6210.33%
DA* 28-70/f2.8 9115.17%
DA 70-200mmf4 SDM WR to compliment 17-70 528.67%
DFA* 80-200mm/f2.8 8013.33%
DA* 135-270mm f2.8 to compliment 16-50/50-135 8013.33%
DA 135-400mm/f4-5.6 WR 10617.67%
DFA* TC 1.4x SDM topquality converter 19933.17%
DFA* TC 2.0x SDM topquality converter 8213.67%
SDM II with faster focussing, new lensversions current DA*. 19933.17%
Sigma lenses are fine for me completing the lens line-up. 254.17%
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06-05-2011, 02:26 AM   #16
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Somehow I overlooked a possible lens that was mentioned in another thread, that I actually responded to.

QuoteOriginally posted by snostorm Quote
I think that there would be a place for a compact and lightweight full featured low powered flash in the Pentax lineup. It would fit right into the design philosophy of a compact APS-C system. Add a high quality 45-135 f4 zoom to the DA 16-45 f4, the compact flash, to a K-5 and you'd have a killer lightweight events kit, especially if the compact flash was able to connect to a battery pack.

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So that lens would also be a possability, I only think that the 16-45 is going out of production. This combo 16-45/45-135 is the better quality version off the current DA18-135 lens and the smaller version off the 17-70/70-200-f4 set. But for now the 70-200/f4 has just not much fanbase in the pole at the time.

Looking at the zoomration (around 2.8x zoom) this would make a 45-125mm/f4 lens. Making it a very compact combo indeed.

Also very good as a more expensive kitpack with a camera. For K-5 it should be WR, but for K-r this would be great, but expensive.


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06-05-2011, 03:04 AM   #17
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Is it just me or would more people embrace a DM-WR series ?
Yes manual focus, with auto-aperture and APS-C format and modern lens disign and coating.
Could be even smaller than the m; better build than de A and maybe even WR
but at a reasonable price due the lack of AF.
Since Voigtländer stopt producing SL ii series and Zeiss forgot about us too,
we, MF lovers are depending on old and rare lenses for high quality.
06-05-2011, 04:17 AM   #18
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personally my list would be more like this - affording some of these might be an issue but can dream non the less

DA* 24mm F2
DA 180mm F4 Ltd Macro WR
DA* 300mm F2.8
DA* 400mm F4
DA* 600mm F4

DA* 10-24mm F4
DA 200-400mm F5.6-6.3
DA* 200-400mm F4
DA* 250-600mm F5.6

DA 1.4x TC
DA 1.7x TC
DA* 1.4x TC
DA* 1.7x TC
06-05-2011, 04:35 AM   #19
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QuoteOriginally posted by freewheeler Quote
Is it just me or would more people embrace a DM-WR series ?
Yes manual focus, with auto-aperture and APS-C format and modern lens disign and coating.
Could be even smaller than the m; better build than de A and maybe even WR
but at a reasonable price due the lack of AF.
Since Voigtländer stopt producing SL ii series and Zeiss forgot about us too,
we, MF lovers are depending on old and rare lenses for high quality.
Didn't even crossed my mind at the time. There are users for those lenses, only just a few I think. If you are patient, you can buy my DA*55mm/f1.4 after my SDM died and you have a real nice manual focus only lens. Wich lenses do you think could be usefull for such a new lensline? I should say name 3!

QuoteOriginally posted by stormcloud Quote
personally my list would be more like this - affording some of these might be an issue but can dream non the less

DA* 24mm F2, DA 180mm F4 Ltd Macro WR, DA* 300mm F2.8, DA* 400mm F4, DA* 600mm F4

DA* 10-24mm F4, DA 200-400mm F5.6-6.3, DA* 200-400mm F4, DA* 250-600mm F5.6

DA 1.4x TC, DA 1.7x TC, DA* 1.4x TC, DA* 1.7x TC
Don't we all have dreams. But then again I don't even beleave you would buy these items for yourself. Really, making and buying 4 different TC's? Are you serious, and can't make a choice?

As for some off those there are good options in the list, 24mm/f2 (very popular to my surprise since I never would buy a big chunck of glass like that). And 200mm macro versus 180mm macro isn't that big a difference to me.

In you telerange your wishes are huge and there is only limited numbers of users for such lenses, so we may have only one option. Putting a TC together with like 135-270mm/f2.8 makes it 189-378mm/f4 with 1,4xTC and 270-540mm/f5.6 with a 2xTC so that makes some off your wishes within reach, as long as the lens and TC's are good enough from image quality.

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The 600/4 and 200-400/4 would be absolute monsters of lenses...
I wonder whether Hoya are interested. Certainly some for the wish list...
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The 600/4 and 200-400/4 would be absolute monsters of lenses...I wonder whether Hoya are interested. Certainly some for the wish list...
QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
Putting a TC together with like 135-270mm/f2.8 makes it 189-378mm/f4 with 1,4xTC and 270-540mm/f5.6 with a 2xTC
Somehow I really think that I just made a good choice in inventing this lens. I think we have a match, only smaller in size.
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well the teleconverters reason for the 4 is obvious - the non da* ones would be cheap as chips versions - optically adaquate but not as good as the da* and with no weather sealing

and yeah i wouldn't buy all those lenses - i would have to win the lottery to afford all of them but i would get some of them and be wanting the others =)

the DA* 250-600mm F5.6 I know it would cost a fortune but i would eventually save up for it - since i would have it i probably wouldn't need the long primes and just make do - i'd also take the DA* 1.4x TC

i'd also then start thinking about the 180mm macro

and then if my 12-24mm ever breaks would get the DA* 10-24mm maybe that should be a 10-20mm might make it a bit easier to construct

the rest would probably be for other people but i think it would make for a nice complete lens lineup
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Hi Ron
Sorry, not interrested in your DA*55 since I already have the VL58/1.4 .
Would be nice to have a DM18/2,8 ; DM28/2,8 and a DM70/2,8macro though.

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There were a few lenses on the voting list that I might have voted for if they were a slightly different.

I would love to see a DA*10-16 f4.0 and a DA*135-400 f4.0 to complete the DA* zoom lineup. Your list had a too slow non * len 135-400 so I didn't vote for it. Canon has a real great L100-400 f4.0 lens so Pentax could have one. The long DA* lens 135-270 is fast enough but doesn't have the reach for wildlife photography. It would be a real nice night football lens.

We really need a fast WR high-end normal lens. Either a DA*28/f1.8 or a DA*30/f1.4. Then Pentax doing its odd things how about a DA*29/f1.7. It could be the crop sesnor equalivent of the FA43 Limited.

Updating the FA Limited line-up with WR and modern lens coatings would be really nice.

Updating the DA12-24/f4.0 with WR would be really good, but I would rather have a DA*11-16.

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I would love to see a DA*10-16 f4.0 and a DA*135-400 f4.0 to complete the DA* zoom lineup. Your list had a too slow non * len 135-400 so I didn't vote for it. Canon has a real great L100-400 f4.0 lens so Pentax could have one. The long DA* lens 135-270 is fast enough but doesn't have the reach for wildlife photography. It would be a real nice night football lens.

We really need a fast WR high-end normal lens. Either a DA*28/f1.8 or a DA*30/f1.4. Then Pentax doing its odd things how about a DA*29/f1.7. It could be the crop sesnor equalivent of the FA43 Limited.

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For the long end I looked at Falk's blog and his artikle on telelenses: Falk Lumo: A hypothetical Pentax DFA* 500mm F5.6 ED(IF) SDMii You see that with some margin bigger lenses get heavy and expensive. As we all know. 400/f4 is heavier and with bigger filterthread and more expensive then 270mm/f2.8!

The Canon lens you are referring to is 100-400 f4.5-5.6 so that is not at all the lens you are thinking about. I'm guessing that your lens would costs like $ 6000 and there is no market for in Pentaxland. There is a Nikkor 200-400mm/f4 costing 5775 euro.

Again I'm plugging the 1.4xTC with the 135-270mm/f2.8 lens since that is a good version of Canon's lens as well and faster since it is f4 all over.

Your 11-16, that is sort of Tokina lens, I just forgot about it. Maybe this would make a good successor for 12-24 in a WR version.

Well there is always 31mm/f1.8 as fast in that range. There could be something just under that line, but if it is expensive, who's gonna buy? You are looking at $ 1500 and more I think. In the survey the 24mm/f2 is popular, but having another lens inbetween this 24 and 31 is asking a lot.
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QuoteOriginally posted by DaveBlack Quote
We really need a fast WR high-end normal lens. Either a DA*28/f1.8 or a DA*30/f1.4. Then Pentax doing its odd things how about a DA*29/f1.7. It could be the crop sesnor equalivent of the FA43 Limited.
This, definately this. Make it internal focusing and I would even pre-order this on a student budget.
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This, definately this. Make it internal focusing and I would even pre-order this on a student budget.
Would you like to have it costing say $ 200 (making it a DA-L 28mm/f2.8) or $ 600 (making it a DA 28mm/f2.4 Ltd) or DM (manual only lens) of 28mm/f1.8 for let's guess $ 800 or a wopping $ 1500 for a DA* 28mm/f1.4?

In terms of FOV their the same. In sence of isolating you main part in the picture there is little difference between f2.8 and f2.4.
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I think Pentax should focus on the prime gaps - 100-200mm (macro to DA*) is a big gap.

It would be nice to have a full set of limited, and separately, DA* primes and TCs to go with them.

Sigma does great zooms and at a good price. By adding waterproofing they are taking away Pentax's advantage (the reason I have a 16-50). Tamron I am less keen on having struggled to find good lenses (all gone from the collection now).

Why compete (beyond the minimum number you need for credibility)?

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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
For the long end I looked at Falk's blog and his artikle on telelenses: Falk Lumo: A hypothetical Pentax DFA* 500mm F5.6 ED(IF) SDMii You see that with some margin bigger lenses get heavy and expensive. As we all know. 400/f4 is heavier and with bigger filterthread and more expensive then 270mm/f2.8!

The Canon lens you are referring to is 100-400 f4.5-5.6 so that is not at all the lens you are thinking about. I'm guessing that your lens would costs like $ 6000 and there is no market for in Pentaxland. There is a Nikkor 200-400mm/f4 costing 5775 euro.

Again I'm plugging the 1.4xTC with the 135-270mm/f2.8 lens since that is a good version of Canon's lens as well and faster since it is f4 all over.

Your 11-16, that is sort of Tokina lens, I just forgot about it. Maybe this would make a good successor for 12-24 in a WR version.

Well there is always 31mm/f1.8 as fast in that range. There could be something just under that line, but if it is expensive, who's gonna buy? You are looking at $ 1500 and more I think. In the survey the 24mm/f2 is popular, but having another lens inbetween this 24 and 31 is asking a lot.

I really didn't know that the Canon 100-400 was a verible f-stop lens. I have handled the Nikon 200-400/f4.0 and always considering buying into the Nikon system for such a lens.

A fast 135-270 and using it with a high-grade TC is an interesting concept. Still I would like the lens to be something like a 135-300/f2.8. The TC will have to be top notch. Then again there is always the Sigma 100-300/f2.8 Hopefully they will make this lens in the K-mount and then produce a 1.4xTC just for this lens. There just has to be a way to get longer than 300 at the DA* quality optics. Generally speaking I am not much for TC's and wqould rather hav a lens without a TC to get me to the 450 to 500 focal length.

The FA31 Ltd is fast and is a normal lens but it really needs WR and modern lens coatings. A fast 29 will be the equalivent of the 43 on film, whcih is suppose to be the perfect focal length for film.

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I have handled the Nikon 200-400/f4.0 and always considering buying into the Nikon system for such a lens.

A fast 135-270 and using it with a high-grade TC is an interesting concept. Still I would like the lens to be something like a 135-300/f2.8. The TC will have to be top notch.
Well for using a lens like that you can just buy that lens and a camerabody (D400 and 200-400/f4) and glue them together using a Pentax system for everything else.

Well getting Hoya to make a DA*135-270mm/f2.8 is really pushing the borders, since it will be for a long time the heaviest and most expensive lens in the line-up. It would be about the size/weight/money as to spend on a DFA*500mm/f5.6. Wanting more is ending up with empty hands.
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