Why do Nikonians brag about lens availability?

geekette · 07-01-2011, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by JeffJS

I can't and won't answer for why anyone says anything. I only know that instead of worrying about what is Available, I have enough to do learning to use what I Have.

For what it's worth, since you mentioned it, you Can tether your Kx.

PK_Tether | Tethering and remote control software for Pentax DSLR cameras

(in case it hasn't already been mentioned)

PK Tether is a windows only app; I run on mac. It is written by one guy and maintained by one person. (Does it work perfectly?) Also, Aperture, Lightroom etc have a tethering API.. I'd like to be able to take a pic and have it show up right there in Aperture--thank goodness for Eye-Fi; I can't wait to try it out.

geekette · 07-01-2011, 07:50 AM

Yeah The NEX rocks, but it isn't a SLR--it's mirrorless. The APS-C sensor on the NEX is superb.. around the same image quality of the K-X, which saying A LOT.

deadwolfbones · 07-01-2011, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by geekette

Yeah The NEX rocks, but it isn't a SLR--mirrorless.

It's an ILC, which is what the quoted stats were referring to.

afaik the Sony dSLRs don't sell terribly well, though the SLTs are apparently quite good.

The A900 has some ardent followers but like any FF dSLR the userbase is pretty small.

**luftfluss** · 07-01-2011, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by geekette

I just don't know how sony is ahead.. i mean I've looked at the stats on those cameras.. much lower image quality than pentax and SUPER expensive..

What dslr lenses mount to Sony DSLRs anyways? Minolta to Olympus.. What does sony take? Proprietary lenses? if so, there can't be many at all.

Sony is a giant of the electronics industry with much greater name recognition than Pentax. Also, I can walk into a Best Buy and purchase a Sony SLR (even if the selection is 1); can't say the same about Pentax.

Besides Sony-branded lenses, they take (Konica) Minolta lenses, and of course the 3rd-party lenses.

I'm honestly puzzled by your usage of verbiage such as "much lower image quality"... what are you basing this on? If it's Dxomark, I don't think the numbers you are looking at are anywhere near as divisive as you are indicating. There is so much more to a camera body than the measurebating of the sensor.

Last edited by luftfluss; 07-01-2011 at 08:09 AM.

**luftfluss** · 07-01-2011, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

It's an ILC, which is what the quoted stats were referring to.

afaik the Sony dSLRs don't sell terribly well, though the SLTs are apparently quite good.

The A900 has some ardent followers but like any FF dSLR the userbase is pretty small.

I did a quick search and found this data for 2008 DSLR marketshare in Japan:

Canon 40.4%
Nikon 39%
Sony 8.5%
Olympus 3.8%
Pentax 1.6%

Blue · 07-01-2011, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Sony is a giant of the electronics industry with much greater name recognition than Pentax. Also, I can walk into a Best Buy and purchase a Sony SLR (even if the selection is 1); can't say the same about Pentax.

Besides Sony-branded lenses, they take (Konica) Minolta lenses, and of course the 3rd-party lenses.

I'm honestly puzzled by your usage of verbiage such as "much lower image quality"... what are you basing this on? If it's Dxomark, I don't think the numbers you are looking at are anywhere near as divisive as you are indicating. There is so much more to a camera body than the measurebating of the sensor.

Don't forget that at present, the only autofocus glass in existence is for the Minolta err ... Sony mount.

JeffJS · 07-01-2011, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by geekette

PK Tether is a windows only app; I run on mac. It is written by one guy and maintained by one person. (Does it work perfectly?) Also, Aperture, Lightroom etc have a tethering API.. I'd like to be able to take a pic and have it show up right there in Aperture--thank goodness for Eye-Fi; I can't wait to try it out.

As long as you follow the instructions it does. Even with the Pentax Remote Assistant, I don't remember it being able to import directly into the processing software (could be wrong about that however). As to your computer, well, ummmmm, can't help you there. I was only pointing out that the option to Tether the Kx Does exist. Let us know how the Eye-Fi works.

RioRico · 07-01-2011, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I did a quick search and found this data for 2008 DSLR marketshare in Japan:

That was then, this is now, etc. Then: Pentax's top-gun was the K20D (which I bought a couple weeks before Hoya devoured Pentax). Now: Pentax has hits with Kx and Kr, decent sales with K7 and K5 and the paradigm-shifting 645D. I'd like to see the 2010 ratings.

Also, the world isn't Japan, and vice versa. Canikonympus may actually have a larger worldwide market share. Until Ricoh pumps up the marketing machine, that is. Ricoh competes very well against Canon in copiers. Maybe Ricoh will actually advertise. Maybe Ricoh will push the release of a comprehensive lens set. Maybe Ricoh will decide to build a professional support network ala Canon and Nikon. Maybe Ricoh will kick Nikon's butt. It could happen. A better chance of that than of pigs flying, you-betcha.

**luftfluss** · 07-01-2011, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by RioRico

That was then, this is now, etc. Then: Pentax's top-gun was the K20D (which I bought a couple weeks before Hoya devoured Pentax). Now: Pentax has hits with Kx and Kr, decent sales with K7 and K5 and the paradigm-shifting 645D. I'd like to see the 2010 ratings.

Also, the world isn't Japan, and vice versa. Canikonympus may actually have a larger worldwide market share. Until Ricoh pumps up the marketing machine, that is. Ricoh competes very well against Canon in copiers. Maybe Ricoh will actually advertise. Maybe Ricoh will push the release of a comprehensive lens set. Maybe Ricoh will decide to build a professional support network ala Canon and Nikon. Maybe Ricoh will kick Nikon's butt. It could happen. A better chance of that than of pigs flying, you-betcha.

I never claimed Japan=world.

The point of that particular post was merely to point out that Sony has a little more oomph in the DSLR market than some folks may think. Sony's world-wide marketshare could be better-worse-same as japan, given that Sony is a much lower-regarded brand in Japan than in the USA.

SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh?

Blue · 07-01-2011, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

I never claimed Japan=world.

The point of that particular post was merely to point out that Sony has a little more oomph in the DSLR market than some folks may think. Sony's world-wide marketshare could be better-worse-same as japan, given that Sony is a much lower-regarded brand in Japan than in the USA.

SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh?

But that was 2008 data.

Pentax had climbed to nearly 6% global sales in dSLR in 2009 and higher to 7.8% in 2010.

http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2010/07/nikon-grabs-the-1-spot-in-dslrsilcs-in-japan-h12010-revisited-real-story-canon-falls-off-a-cliff.html

**luftfluss** · 07-01-2011, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Blue

But that was 2008 data.

Pentax had climbed to nearly 6% global sales in dSLR in 2009.

Oh, GOOD!!!

I mean, I know that is still very small, but that looks more encouraging.

Edit: Quickly scanning your link, for the 1st half of 2010, Pentax had 7.8% of the Japanese market.

Blue · 07-01-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by luftfluss

Oh, GOOD!!!

I mean, I know that is still very small, but that looks more encouraging.

If you go back and look at that link, you will see that Canon wasn't #1 in dSLR sales in 2010.

RioRico · 07-01-2011, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by luftfluss

SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh?

That's better than RioRictax. Or RioPencoh. Or RioZony. Or RioKoda. I'll think about it.

.
..
...

There, I thought about it.

geekette · 07-01-2011, 01:28 PM

I retract what I said about the image quality of sony dslr

About the same as K-X.. dont' know what I was thinking.. maybe I was comparing the wrong expensive model of Sony to K-X.. I honestly don't know much about Sony DSLR. I don't know a single person that owns one yet I know several that own Pentax locally.. weird.

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07-01-2011, 07:49 AM	#76
geekette Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 528 Original Poster	Originally posted by JeffJS I can't and won't answer for why anyone says anything. I only know that instead of worrying about what is Available, I have enough to do learning to use what I Have. For what it's worth, since you mentioned it, you Can tether your Kx. PK_Tether \| Tethering and remote control software for Pentax DSLR cameras (in case it hasn't already been mentioned) PK Tether is a windows only app; I run on mac. It is written by one guy and maintained by one person. (Does it work perfectly?) Also, Aperture, Lightroom etc have a tethering API.. I'd like to be able to take a pic and have it show up right there in Aperture--thank goodness for Eye-Fi; I can't wait to try it out.

07-01-2011, 07:50 AM	#77
geekette Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 528 Original Poster	Yeah The NEX rocks, but it isn't a SLR--it's mirrorless. The APS-C sensor on the NEX is superb.. around the same image quality of the K-X, which saying A LOT.

07-01-2011, 07:53 AM	#78
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	Originally posted by geekette Yeah The NEX rocks, but it isn't a SLR--mirrorless. It's an ILC, which is what the quoted stats were referring to. afaik the Sony dSLRs don't sell terribly well, though the SLTs are apparently quite good. The A900 has some ardent followers but like any FF dSLR the userbase is pretty small.

07-01-2011, 08:02 AM	#79
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by geekette I just don't know how sony is ahead.. i mean I've looked at the stats on those cameras.. much lower image quality than pentax and SUPER expensive.. What dslr lenses mount to Sony DSLRs anyways? Minolta to Olympus.. What does sony take? Proprietary lenses? if so, there can't be many at all. Sony is a giant of the electronics industry with much greater name recognition than Pentax. Also, I can walk into a Best Buy and purchase a Sony SLR (even if the selection is 1); can't say the same about Pentax. Besides Sony-branded lenses, they take (Konica) Minolta lenses, and of course the 3rd-party lenses. I'm honestly puzzled by your usage of verbiage such as "much lower image quality"... what are you basing this on? If it's Dxomark, I don't think the numbers you are looking at are anywhere near as divisive as you are indicating. There is so much more to a camera body than the measurebating of the sensor. Last edited by luftfluss; 07-01-2011 at 08:09 AM.

07-01-2011, 08:08 AM	#80
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by deadwolfbones It's an ILC, which is what the quoted stats were referring to. afaik the Sony dSLRs don't sell terribly well, though the SLTs are apparently quite good. The A900 has some ardent followers but like any FF dSLR the userbase is pretty small. I did a quick search and found this data for 2008 DSLR marketshare in Japan: Canon 40.4% Nikon 39% Sony 8.5% Olympus 3.8% Pentax 1.6%

07-01-2011, 08:25 AM	#81
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by luftfluss Sony is a giant of the electronics industry with much greater name recognition than Pentax. Also, I can walk into a Best Buy and purchase a Sony SLR (even if the selection is 1); can't say the same about Pentax. Besides Sony-branded lenses, they take (Konica) Minolta lenses, and of course the 3rd-party lenses. I'm honestly puzzled by your usage of verbiage such as "much lower image quality"... what are you basing this on? If it's Dxomark, I don't think the numbers you are looking at are anywhere near as divisive as you are indicating. There is so much more to a camera body than the measurebating of the sensor. Don't forget that at present, the only autofocus glass in existence is for the Minolta err ... Sony mount.

07-01-2011, 08:48 AM	#82
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by geekette PK Tether is a windows only app; I run on mac. It is written by one guy and maintained by one person. (Does it work perfectly?) Also, Aperture, Lightroom etc have a tethering API.. I'd like to be able to take a pic and have it show up right there in Aperture--thank goodness for Eye-Fi; I can't wait to try it out. As long as you follow the instructions it does. Even with the Pentax Remote Assistant, I don't remember it being able to import directly into the processing software (could be wrong about that however). As to your computer, well, ummmmm, can't help you there. I was only pointing out that the option to Tether the Kx Does exist. Let us know how the Eye-Fi works.

07-01-2011, 10:39 AM	#83
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by luftfluss I did a quick search and found this data for 2008 DSLR marketshare in Japan: That was then, this is now, etc. Then: Pentax's top-gun was the K20D (which I bought a couple weeks before Hoya devoured Pentax). Now: Pentax has hits with Kx and Kr, decent sales with K7 and K5 and the paradigm-shifting 645D. I'd like to see the 2010 ratings. Also, the world isn't Japan, and vice versa. Canikonympus may actually have a larger worldwide market share. Until Ricoh pumps up the marketing machine, that is. Ricoh competes very well against Canon in copiers. Maybe Ricoh will actually advertise. Maybe Ricoh will push the release of a comprehensive lens set. Maybe Ricoh will decide to build a professional support network ala Canon and Nikon. Maybe Ricoh will kick Nikon's butt. It could happen. A better chance of that than of pigs flying, you-betcha.

07-01-2011, 10:50 AM	#84
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by RioRico That was then, this is now, etc. Then: Pentax's top-gun was the K20D (which I bought a couple weeks before Hoya devoured Pentax). Now: Pentax has hits with Kx and Kr, decent sales with K7 and K5 and the paradigm-shifting 645D. I'd like to see the 2010 ratings. Also, the world isn't Japan, and vice versa. Canikonympus may actually have a larger worldwide market share. Until Ricoh pumps up the marketing machine, that is. Ricoh competes very well against Canon in copiers. Maybe Ricoh will actually advertise. Maybe Ricoh will push the release of a comprehensive lens set. Maybe Ricoh will decide to build a professional support network ala Canon and Nikon. Maybe Ricoh will kick Nikon's butt. It could happen. A better chance of that than of pigs flying, you-betcha. I never claimed Japan=world. The point of that particular post was merely to point out that Sony has a little more oomph in the DSLR market than some folks may think. Sony's world-wide marketshare could be better-worse-same as japan, given that Sony is a much lower-regarded brand in Japan than in the USA. SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh?

07-01-2011, 10:54 AM	#85
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by luftfluss I never claimed Japan=world. The point of that particular post was merely to point out that Sony has a little more oomph in the DSLR market than some folks may think. Sony's world-wide marketshare could be better-worse-same as japan, given that Sony is a much lower-regarded brand in Japan than in the USA. SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh? But that was 2008 data. Pentax had climbed to nearly 6% global sales in dSLR in 2009 and higher to 7.8% in 2010. http://www.1001noisycameras.com/2010/07/nikon-grabs-the-1-spot-in-dslrsilcs-in-japan-h12010-revisited-real-story-canon-falls-off-a-cliff.html

07-01-2011, 10:57 AM	#86
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,619	Originally posted by Blue But that was 2008 data. Pentax had climbed to nearly 6% global sales in dSLR in 2009. Oh, GOOD!!! I mean, I know that is still very small, but that looks more encouraging. Edit: Quickly scanning your link, for the 1st half of 2010, Pentax had 7.8% of the Japanese market.

07-01-2011, 11:00 AM	#87
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by luftfluss Oh, GOOD!!! I mean, I know that is still very small, but that looks more encouraging. If you go back and look at that link, you will see that Canon wasn't #1 in dSLR sales in 2010.

07-01-2011, 12:17 PM	#88
RioRico Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Limbo, California Posts: 11,263	Originally posted by luftfluss SO, uh, gonna change your name to RioRicoh? That's better than RioRictax. Or RioPencoh. Or RioZony. Or RioKoda. I'll think about it. . .. ... There, I thought about it.

07-01-2011, 01:28 PM	#89
geekette Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 528 Original Poster	I retract what I said about the image quality of sony dslr About the same as K-X.. dont' know what I was thinking.. maybe I was comparing the wrong expensive model of Sony to K-X.. I honestly don't know much about Sony DSLR. I don't know a single person that owns one yet I know several that own Pentax locally.. weird.