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07-14-2011, 10:42 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by civiletti Quote
I've been shooting landscapes with the sigma 24/2.8, k28/3.5, k35/3.5, a50/2.8, tamron 90/2.5. All good lenses. I am now experimenting with a tamron 17-50/2.8 as replacement for the wide ones. I shall see.
Ah, ah... K35/3.5 - i have seen your photos in K club + the reputation of this lens. That would be a miracle if you find Tamron17-50 better, but if you do I would be happy to provide a new home for that 35 ))
just kiddin as I'm sure it won't happen. It's quite hard to find lens though....


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Hmm... The Panacolar is Zeiss, right? Is it really cheaper? What do they go for? I suppose the 77ltd is pretty expensive, so...

DA 14 is a good option, but as I recall is is huge - that's a big sacrifice of the first of the holy trinity...

The Voightlander does llok interesting, but it's weirdly more expensive than the DA21 I believe.
the only CZJ on ebay right now is from poland at $382.16. so cheaper than an fa77 but not cheap (or abundant) (and its a Prakticar mount not m42)
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Would love to get my hands on an A 35/2. I would also include the DA35/2.4 on my list, but that is a big sacrifice in build quality...
What's the big deal about build quality. I had the A 35mm f/2 in excellent condition and yet I sold it because it was easily surpassed optically by the DA 35mm f/2.8 Macro and even by the el-cheapo DA 35mm f/2.4. Besides, having AF opens a wider realm of shooting opportunities, like shooting one-handed and shooting a lot quicker by letting the camera lock focus.
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Thanks all, some really great responses here... I will definitely check out the M85mm/2, especially if there's an A version. Pinholecam, thanks for your posts, very interesting. RioRico, not sure about difference between 40 and 50mm, I'll do some experimentation with the kit lens at different focal lengths again.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jeztastic Quote
I will definitely check out the M85mm/2, especially if there's an A version
I'll save you the time as there is no regular "A" version of the 85mm*. There's the K85/1.8 and the M85/2, but no A85. There is an A100/2.8, which is a really nice and compact lens. It usually goes for about $225-275 depending on the condition.

*not counting the A*85/1.4

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there's no A85/2

QuoteOriginally posted by jeztastic Quote
Thanks all, some really great responses here... I will definitely check out the M85mm/2, especially if there's an A version. Pinholecam, thanks for your posts, very interesting. RioRico, not sure about difference between 40 and 50mm, I'll do some experimentation with the kit lens at different focal lengths again.
but there's one 85mm lens in A series......not really cheap - used are sold on ebay for 1200-1500 GBP if I remember well .....you can have 2 or 3 limiteds for that price. But from what I heard it is superior 85mm lens to any other Pentax 85mm

here's the comparison with Canon L 85mm /1.2:

Zeiss ZF 85mm f1.4: First Impressions
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QuoteOriginally posted by vrrattko Quote
but there's one 85mm lens in A series......not really cheap - used are sold on ebay for 1200-1500 GBP if I remember well .....you can have 2 or 3 limiteds for that price. But from what I heard it is superior 85mm lens to any other Pentax 85mm

here's the comparison with Canon L 85mm /1.2:

Zeiss ZF 85mm f1.4: First Impressions
True, I was discounting the A*85/1.4 when I said (above) that there was no (plain) A series 85mm lens; I figured if the OP was looking for a cheaper alternative to the 77, the A*85/1.4 is probably not the answer
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QuoteOriginally posted by dgaies Quote
I'll save you the time as there is no "A" version of the 85mm. There's the K85/1.8 and the M85/2, but no A85. There is an A100/2.8, which is a really nice and compact lens. It usually goes for about $225-275 depending on the condition.
at the 100 length there are some deals the m100 2.8 is very compact. My m100 cost me about $30 and it's a great performer (though green button metering and manual mode only or AV wide open)
The A version is much the same lens AFAIK, but will set you back a fair bit more as it's more fully functional with the A setting
Ms seem to go for $1-120 A's will be double that
Both will exhibit some purple fringing in harsh high contrast scenarios particularly opened up
and get a hood if you don't get one with it (I had the one for mine but misplaced it)

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One thing to watch out for on the m85 f/2 is the horrid hexagon bokeh it produces.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jeztastic Quote
Thanks all, some really great responses here... I will definitely check out the M85mm/2, especially if there's an A version. Pinholecam, thanks for your posts, very interesting. RioRico, not sure about difference between 40 and 50mm, I'll do some experimentation with the kit lens at different focal lengths again.
There is no A version for the 85/2.
The A*85/1.4 is generally regarded as the best 85mm Pentax has produced. However, I find that I prefer the FA*85/1.4 (a legendary lens in its own right), for its rendering and AF (esp. at large apertures).

I think we are forgetting something here which are the nice and usually very cheap new lenses from Pentax and 3rd parties.
The DA 35/2.4 is an excellent performer, easily rivaling the other Pentax 35mms
The DA14 and DA15ltd.
On the short tele end is the DA100 WR macro. Easily doubling as a portrait lens.
There are also the Tamron and Sigma macro lenses of various focal lengths (eg. 90mm, 105mm), that are sharp, macro and versatile for close ups, portraits and macros of course
The Sigma 50/1.4 and 30/1.4 are well worth consideration as well.
More options open up with nice zooms like the Tamron 28-75/2.8. There is currently a thread here that is a fantastic showcase for this lens.



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One thing to watch out for on the m85 f/2 is the horrid hexagon bokeh it produces.
I've every noticed this too much, but the purple hazing and hazing (loss of contrast) can be very bad in some situations. These are my 2 main bad points of this lens.
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What I use or have used for Limited approximations:

DA15 --> A 16/2.8 fisheye. Not exactly the same, but compact, well built and great IQ.
DA21 --> Sigma 24mm/2.8 super wide AF - some love it, some not so much. I like it a lot.
FA31 --> Auditioning some Vivitar 28mm/2 lenses, a Sigma 28/1.8, and the FA 28/2.8.
DA35 macro --> The Carl Zeiss Jena 35mm/2.4 is a similar size, a little faster, and goes to about 1:2 macro. But it is an M42 mount lens, and not really that cheap.
DA40 --> FA 43
FA43 --> DA40. But a 50/1.7 is close as well.
DA70, FA77 --> Tokina AT-X 90mm/2.5 macro. Smokin'! I suppose the limiteds might be better, but I'll stand pat.

Did I miss any? :-)
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RioRico, not sure about difference between 40 and 50mm, I'll do some experimentation with the kit lens at different focal lengths again.
Actually it was Marc who brought up the 40-50 difference, not I. But experimenting with your 18-55 at different focal lengths is a very good idea. FL preferences are definitely a matter of personal taste and circumstance. Sometimes I *want* to use a 35 or 40 or 45, but find that a 24 or 28 or 50 or 55 just works better. For me, that is. Your mileage may vary.
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It's easy to find wide-normal or normal lenses on the cheap along with 135-200mm lenses. But what I'm really looking for a 85-90mm lens. And I find the M85/2 and Takumar 85's a little expensive but I'll keep looking.

How about the Jupiter 85/2 ($150 from the old USSR countries)? Or if you want a Macro, how about the Panagor 90/2.8 (200?)? I'm making my way thru the macro lens club and I've been very impressed by it. Below are the various rebadged copies (copied from a lens review).

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Vivitar 90mm f/2.5 1.1 (Ser no. 28XXXXXX)
Vivitar 90mm f/2.8 1:1 MC (Not the Vivitar Tokina/Bokina Series 1) (SER No 28XXXXXX)
Panagor 90mm f/2.8 1:1 PMC
Admiral-Panagor 90mm f 2.8 1:1 (Admiral, a Swiss reseller)
Rokunar 90mm f/2.5 1:1
Elicar 90mm f/2.5 1:1 PMC (A few rare white bodies noted in K and Nikon mounts)
Elicar 90mm f/2.5 1:1.25 PMC
Soligor 90mm f2.5 1.1
Spiratone 90mm f2.5 1:1 "Proexitel'
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QuoteOriginally posted by abacus07 Quote
It's easy to find wide-normal or normal lenses on the cheap along with 135-200mm lenses. But what I'm really looking for a 85-90mm lens. And I find the M85/2 and Takumar 85's a little expensive but I'll keep looking.

How about the Jupiter 85/2 ($150 from the old USSR countries)? Or if you want a Macro, how about the Panagor 90/2.8 (200?)? I'm making my way thru the macro lens club and I've been very impressed by it. Below are the various rebadged copies (copied from a lens review).
Forget the J9 been there done that. It can't be an all round reliable 85mm from wide open as its characteristic is a very soft (even fluff) wide open performance, between f2.8 to f4 it becomes better but still soft, but from f5.6, f8, it becomes sharp.
Fun as a cheap (which its often not these days) 85mm for its unique character, but not as well rounded.

Don't know about other folks, but for me, the cheap and good short tele 'portrait' lens
is w/o doubt the M85/2.
Considering that its a worthy challenger in o/p (don't mistake it for the raw numbers of optical performance) to any of the 85mm FL lenses (and also 77ltd) and its not expensive at all. Maybe, in pure performance (sharpness; CA control; etc), it loses to all the others, but the o/p (photos produced) will be very satisfactory nonetheless.

I do have the FA*85 and access to the A*85. But the M85 is the one that I reach for most often. Small, easily portable and very good performance.
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Maybe the question should be changed to cheap alternatives to the M85/2?

Great lens but not cheap and not commonly listed on fleabay.
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